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re: Hal Hughes and Josh Smith

Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:08 pm to
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 2:08 pm to
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In my opinion, his slump has less to do with bad luck and more to do with his plate approach.


After almost every single game he is listed as a leader in in exit velocity, with several over 100mph, but only has a .136 batting average on balls in play. Just because you don't think it's luck doesn't mean it isn't.
Posted by nicholastiger
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:06 pm to
If nothing else, it was encouraging to see Slaughter go opposite field on the lefty pitcher that had the whole lineup baffled.

Also, his simple approach led to a nice single up the middle to drive in two runs.

I think the reason PM sticks with him is he has that ability to really muscle the ball out and he wants that power capability in the lineup.

I agree though, Slaughter's approach can be awful at times but the only way to fix it is to keep sending him out there and let his talent win out since PM obviously feels like his talent is better than any other options he has right now. All bets are off until Smith comes back and then if he hasn't done it by then, you can make that move and justify it.

Sorry to ramble, just trying to think like PM.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:14 pm to
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It's sad really. You have Mainieri talking about how the reason he's stayed there is because of how hard he's been hitting the ball even if they haven't landed for hits, and people still keep saying he's hitting feeble pop ups and slow grounders.

He's going to continue to play third for the next month and a half at least, fricking deal with it people.

Yeah, the guy has way too much potential to just pack it in and throw in the towel on him already. As you alluded to, anyone who's been paying attention knows he's been making good contact. I'd bet that one of these days he's going to bust out and make some people look silly. At the very least, he's going to get the opportunity to do so. And rightfully so.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:22 pm to
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After almost every single game he is listed as a leader in in exit velocity, with several over 100mph, but only has a .136 batting average on balls in play. Just because you don't think it's luck doesn't mean it isn't.


There are wide receivers who run incredibly fast at the combine every year that will never be any good in the NFL because they can’t catch.

Similarly, Slaughter can have all the exit velocity he wants but it means squat if he can’t put the bat on the ball. His plate approach is atrocious. He can guess right from time to time against these weaker pitchers but when we are playing Florida and their guy throws 95 and has 2 other offspeed/breaking balls that he can also throw for strikes, Slaughter’s gonna struggle to hit the ball.

It has nothing to do with his physical ability and everything to do with his mental approach at the plate. It seems like the guy swings at least one bad pitch almost every at bat.

Like I said, maybe it’ll slow down for him with more at bats but it’s not like he’s working pitchers and just getting unlucky.
Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:26 pm to
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Similarly, Slaughter can have all the exit velocity he wants but it means squat if he can’t put the bat on the ball.

Consistently high exit velocity occurs by virtue of putting the bat squarely on the ball. I'm not sure what you're missing here.
Posted by LSU1SLU
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:29 pm to
Man that was hilarious. How long did it take you to come up with that one
Posted by Howyouluhdat
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:30 pm to
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After almost every single game he is listed as a leader in in exit velocity, with several over 100mph, but only has a .136 batting average on balls in play. Just because you don't think it's luck doesn't mean it isn't.



I'll take a guy that works counts and gets on base vs a guy picking up where he left off last year and currently leading the team with the lowest BA,OBP,& SL%. He's at the bottom with K's and BB as well. Reid has the same amount of hits with only 9 AB. I would just like to see a rotation of the two
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:30 pm to
We are playing weak pitchers resulting in him barreling up balls. His plate approach won't work against a guy who can mix speeds and locations.

He struggles at working counts and swinging at good pitches. That comes back to bite you when facing better pitchers.

Posted by lsu2006
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:46 pm to
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We are playing weak pitchers resulting in him barreling up balls. His plate approach won't work against a guy who can mix speeds and locations.

He struggles at working counts and swinging at good pitches. That comes back to bite you when facing better pitchers.


I get all of that. But he has the potential to be a true power threat in the middle of the order more than anyone on the team. We have to give him a shot and we will.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:58 pm to
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But he has the potential to be a true power threat in the middle of the order more than anyone on the team. We have to give him a shot and we will.


You know who else had the potential to be a true power threat in the lineup...Bryce Adams and you see where he ended up. potential means nothing when you’ve been given plenty of opportunities to show it. He’s had around 200 AB’s to show that and he hasn’t. This is LSU...next man up. Luckily Hughes has shown what he can do
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 4:59 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:00 pm to
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Similarly, Slaughter can have all the exit velocity he wants


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means squat if he can’t put the bat on the ball.


You realize that high exit velocity means he is putting the bat squarely on the ball right?

Nobody is arguing that he hasn't had bad at bats. He certainly has.

There is nothing to the "bad pitching" argument either. Some of these guys will do better against good pitching. They will not run into many guys all season that has totally can't hit stuff. Know what his exit velocity will look like when he barrels up a 95 mph fastball?

Your football comparison is horrible too BTW. He has proven he can hit.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:05 pm to
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He has proven he can hit.


When?
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:06 pm to
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He has proven he can hit.


When?
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:08 pm to
Stop just reading the rant for your facts. Like I said, he started off super hot last season. Cooled off, and then ended up being a solid bat down the stretch.

8 games isn't enough to be able to claim "he can't hit."

Sad that yet another thread has turned into this stupidity yet again.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:09 pm to
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ou know who else had the potential to be a true power threat in the lineup...Bryce Adams and you see where he ended up.


Slaughter's only struck out in 16% of his PAs this year and you're treating him like a guy that struck out about 40% of the time at LSU.

I feel like it's not Slaughter that has failed to adjust, it's the morons claiming to watch his at bats.
Posted by GeorgeWest
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:16 pm to
Don't decide that NOW. Wait until Smith is ready to return to decide where to play those guys.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:19 pm to
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I feel like it's not Slaughter that has failed to adjust, it's the morons claiming to watch his at bats.



His OBP was the 2nd worst on the team last year behind Romero who had 50 less AB’s. He again leads the team with the lowest in the 3 most important offensive stats in college baseball. You can’t defend that with some exit velocity bullshite. You think PM wants to hear about his exit velocity midway through the year when he’s still hitting .220?
Posted by djrunner
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:23 pm to
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There are wide receivers who run incredibly fast at the combine every year that will never be any good in the NFL because they can’t catch.

Similarly, Slaughter can have all the exit velocity he wants but it means squat if he can’t put the bat on the ball.


And this proves, you have not a lick of an idea of what you are talking about.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
21035 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:25 pm to
He hit .257 last year. Why are you acting like he was sub .100?

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You think PM wants to hear about his exit velocity midway through the year when he’s still hitting .220?


Apparently he doesn't believe he will be not be hitting midway through the year, or else he would be out of the lineup already. Since you have a crystal ball that can tell you players averages at the midway point, how about you sell it to CPM so he knows exactly who to play. I'm sure having that ability can go for some big $$$$.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70079 posts
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:27 pm to
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You think PM wants to hear about his exit velocity midway through the year when he’s still hitting .220?


Well, I can't tell the future and I'm not inside Mainieri's head, but he's kept him in the lineup based on how hard he's been hitting the ball at this point.

And if he raises his average to .220, that .220 is more valuable than a considerably higher average from Chris Reid, because it's going to come with way more extra base hits. Because of the exit velocity, you ignorant rube.
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