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re: Glenn Guilbeau just now on ESPNU -LSU has the lowest talent level since Nick took over LSU
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:15 am to RedTigerRulz
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:15 am to RedTigerRulz
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Glenn is a complete phag who needs to eat a bag of dicks
Wouldn’t he enjoy a bag of dicks if he was a Phag?
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 9:17 am
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Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:16 am to Lester Earl
Fwiw, that metric looks at production not returning starters. So it takes into account what those freshmen did when they were on the field, and also the production of Giles and Fehoko at Texas Tech.
It is obviously limited to some extent as it doesn’t project the jumps for players moving from role/rotational player into producer, but Connelly puts together some of the best, most detailed work out there.
ETA: The returning production measure is just one of the variables he uses in his overall projection.
It is obviously limited to some extent as it doesn’t project the jumps for players moving from role/rotational player into producer, but Connelly puts together some of the best, most detailed work out there.
ETA: The returning production measure is just one of the variables he uses in his overall projection.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 9:19 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:18 am to Vastmind
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been hemorrhaging juniors for 10 years
After many in the last Jr. class not being drafted the hemorrhaging may stop a bit
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:18 am to TigerCliff777
Truth hurts
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:19 am to LSUcajun77
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Not sure I understand your point.
I believe the topic is about lsu having the lowest talent level since saban.
LSU did not have a corner the caliber of Greedy on the team when saban took over. Booker and hookfin were not even close to him. Not to mention Kary Vincent was a top 5 c.b. out of high school, played a lot. He's not eligible yet but fulton was the #1 c.b. in the country, then you have the transfer alexander who's played and started for one of the top pac 12 teams.
At safety, Grant Delpit is as good at there is, Eric Monroe, Todd Harris, Jacoby Stevens were all rated at the top of their position, then Battle has played a lot of football. compare that to what you have listed
My point is it's a false statement. Are we a little thin at corner, yes. Is the talent level not there? nope.
While we are on the topic, outside of center, tackle, qb, and maybe rb, this team is on par or even exceeds the talent level when saban got here. Our defensive line talen is as strong as its been in some time. Alexander, Lawrence, than the t.t. transfer are strong. The lb talent is probably better than the entire time saban was here. Wr talent is on par when saban was here. I would argue the guard talent is better on this team.
So to make a statement that this is the least talented team since saban is absolutely false. That 2008 LSU team was the least talented. We started Andrew Hatch at qb, jlee took over after a fractured leg. you had t bob starting at center. the offensive line was horrendous.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:26 am to Lester Earl
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THey weren't "starters" per your stupid stat, but they played and it will pay off next year.
Returning production is now a "stupid stat". Ok then.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:38 am to dos crystal
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While we are on the topic, outside of center, tackle, qb, and maybe rb, this team is on par or even exceeds the talent level when saban got here. Our defensive line talen is as strong as its been in some time. Alexander, Lawrence, than the t.t. transfer are strong. The lb talent is probably better than the entire time saban was here. Wr talent is on par when saban was here. I would argue the guard talent is better on this team.
Slow down a little.
First of all when Saban got here the WR were Reed, Myers, Henderson and Robinson. His second year he added Clayton for Robinson and had Eric Edwards and Robert Royal at TE.
A few Linebackers he had were Faulk, James, Turner, Kuale, Alexander and Vaughn. Turner and Vaughn were part of one the best defenses in LSU’s history.
Defensive line is talented, but after his first recruiting class Saban had Marcus Spears, Marquise Hill, Chad Lavalais, Jarvis Green and Kendrick Allen.
After Saban’s first recruiting class LSU was in much better shape. That was the point. It was proven with a National Championship 3 years later.
Also I didn’t say anything about 2008. Not sure why you included that.
ETA: also Saban was the coach. That goes a long way when you’re comparing talent and predicting what players “might” do.
Everything I posted are facts.
It’s the unproven and hype around players who haven’t shown they’re as good as the ones who came before. That’s all. Can’t argue that.
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 9:42 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:38 am to MOT
I didn't click the link, I assumed he was simply talking about 10/22 starters returning like he mentioned in his post. I didn't realize there was more to it, so that is my bad.
That being said, I think when you examine it, we are taking the biggest hit of production along the defensive line, and I dont think there is anyone here that is really worried about the line.
On another note, some of the freshmen that accumulated snaps last year were back ups, or played in a limited role. It's hard to eat up production in that case, however the experience they gained was invaluable. It's rare that you see freshmen on a 2 deep in the SEC, much less that many.
I'm talking about guys like
Chaisson
Kary Vincent
Tyler Taylor
Jacob Phillips
Ray Thornton
Eric Monroe
Andre Anthony is back in the mix
As for offense, Giles eases the loss of our WRs, which honestly will be addition by subtraction. That is one position that history shows us you do not need prior production to bust out. It's also a position where Jr year is usually the time these guys show their worth, so between Sullivan/Anderson/Drake/Dillon i reckon were see one or 2 of these guys come into their own.
That being said, I think when you examine it, we are taking the biggest hit of production along the defensive line, and I dont think there is anyone here that is really worried about the line.
On another note, some of the freshmen that accumulated snaps last year were back ups, or played in a limited role. It's hard to eat up production in that case, however the experience they gained was invaluable. It's rare that you see freshmen on a 2 deep in the SEC, much less that many.
I'm talking about guys like
Chaisson
Kary Vincent
Tyler Taylor
Jacob Phillips
Ray Thornton
Eric Monroe
Andre Anthony is back in the mix
As for offense, Giles eases the loss of our WRs, which honestly will be addition by subtraction. That is one position that history shows us you do not need prior production to bust out. It's also a position where Jr year is usually the time these guys show their worth, so between Sullivan/Anderson/Drake/Dillon i reckon were see one or 2 of these guys come into their own.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:42 am to TigerCliff777
That's funny. Some of you think this is the most talented team of the past 20 years, certainly of the past 10 years.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:48 am to Goldrush25
Right?!?
Where is this coming from? It’s like they forget who we’ve had playing here.
This defense couldn’t sniff the ‘03 or ‘11’s jock.
At least not in May when they haven’t proven anything
Last year’s D let Troy score at will on them. They got blown out by State. Couldn’t hold ND at the end of the game.
What makes anyone think they’ll be the best in the country after 5 months removed from a citrus bowl loss?
Usually when a team goes 10-2 and loses some tight games, and returns a lot, you make that prediction.
Will they be good? Probably. Are there questions? Sure.
Are they the best defense in the country? I don’t know that. I’m not sure they’re better than Bama in our own conference. They seem to be pretty good
Where is this coming from? It’s like they forget who we’ve had playing here.
This defense couldn’t sniff the ‘03 or ‘11’s jock.
At least not in May when they haven’t proven anything
Last year’s D let Troy score at will on them. They got blown out by State. Couldn’t hold ND at the end of the game.
What makes anyone think they’ll be the best in the country after 5 months removed from a citrus bowl loss?
Usually when a team goes 10-2 and loses some tight games, and returns a lot, you make that prediction.
Will they be good? Probably. Are there questions? Sure.
Are they the best defense in the country? I don’t know that. I’m not sure they’re better than Bama in our own conference. They seem to be pretty good
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:49 am to Goldrush25
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That's funny. Some of you think this is the most talented team of the past 20 years, certainly of the past 10 years.
name those some of you
not me - never read that
you are just a little confused like Glenn Guilbeau
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:50 am to TigerCliff777
Glenn Guilbeau is an idiot flamer who says dumb shite to get clicks. So there’s that.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:51 am to TigerCliff777
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not me - never read that
Someone named dallastiger in another thread said it.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:53 am to BayouCowboy
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Burrow is a grad transfer that's been #2 QB the last 3 years. Do you think that's the same as Brennan who is a true soph this spring?
Since they've attempted about the same number of passes, and brennan has at least seen the offense in spring and burrow didn't, then yes I considered them exactly the same.
brennan was a #2 last year and threw more passes last season than burrow.
You said burrow was a seasoned player. He's not. It's up to you to accept that or not.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:54 am to Goldrush25
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That's funny. Some of you think this is the most talented team of the past 20 years, certainly of the past 10 years
I'm not sure anyone is saying that. I think most are saying that we aren't in as bad of shape as some analysts seem to think. Offensively there are a lot of unknowns at QB, WR, RB and OL. They can be very good or very bad. We just don't know.
Now defensively, if we don't have injuries at CB I fully expect this to be one of our better defenses. We are deep and talented in the front 7. Chaisson and Phillips are going to have a breakout season. If Delpit comes back 100% from his injury he will be the next great LSU safety. I think with the depth and talent we have Aranda is going to let the dogs loose this year and blitz a lot.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 9:55 am to Jack Daniel
Might would be a good time to make an over-under bet in Vegas if its still seven and a half
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 9:57 am
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:01 am to dos crystal
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When nick took over we had hookfin, converted wr in corey Webster, two star travis daniels at corner, and jack hunt, another converted wr at safety.
That team also had.....Nick Saban, who’some would say is a good defensive coach. Doesn’t hurt that his specialty was DBs
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:07 am to BayouCowboy
quote:I am not an expert, but that is every position group.
Offensively there are a lot of unknowns at QB, WR, RB and OL
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if we don't have injuries at CB
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Chaisson and Phillips are going to have a breakout season
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If Delpit comes back 100% from his injury
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think with the depth and talent we have Aranda is going to let the dogs loose this year and blitz a lot.
I just had to giggle, you talk about the strength of the front 7, and you talk about the lack of depth/experience in the DB and you expect to blitz. I highly doubt they leave a thin defensive back crew on islands. The beauty of our front 7 is we should be able to create plenty of pressure with no blitz needed. Why have a strength and not use it?
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:07 am to Four Leaf Tayback
I'd bet my job against Guilbeau's that this team won't lose 5 or 6 games this year. This is a 9-3 or 8-4 team at worse. If Burrow fits in right away then all bets are off. The only for sure losses that jump out are Bama and UGA. The rest of the SEC games are all winnable. Throwing out 5-6 losses is just clickbait bullshite.
Posted on 5/21/18 at 10:08 am to Four Leaf Tayback
People were predicting 6-6 in 2011 and said same shite about our D....all unproven names in Sam Montgomery, linebackers etc....
This post was edited on 5/21/18 at 10:09 am
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