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Football X’s & O’s talk: any concerns with running 4-3 D with today’s modern offenses
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:45 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:45 am
Admittedly I am no expert, but with offenses moving to 4/5 WRs every down, wouldn’t you prefer the 3-4 D instead? This would give you the 4th LB that can cover more effectively and rush as well - think Mingo or Chaisson.
I know the Aranda defense lacked pressure at times but it felt like his mantra was try and create pressure with 4 guys in various ways that way we atleast drop 7 every down. But a lot of times we dropped 8 to cover.
Thoughts? Off season can’t go fast enough…
I know the Aranda defense lacked pressure at times but it felt like his mantra was try and create pressure with 4 guys in various ways that way we atleast drop 7 every down. But a lot of times we dropped 8 to cover.
Thoughts? Off season can’t go fast enough…
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 9:52 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:50 am to Yaboylsu63
Orgeron knows defensive strategies and gives us a schematic advantage worth no less than 7 points every week
I’m not concerned. I have total confidence
I’m not concerned. I have total confidence
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:50 am to Yaboylsu63
4-2-5 is your answer. Many formations can still be ran based off a base 4-3. In this day and age you match your defense to whatever the offense is putting out there. If they 4 or 5 wide in a spread I doubt we run a base 4-3
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 10:16 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:52 am to Yaboylsu63
I don’t think it matters much. You’ve gotta be multiple. You’ve gotta play to your strengths.
Defenses today have a choice. Run a 3-4 Aranda type style and get less pressure, keep the ball in front of you or run a 4-3 pressure defense and hope to slow down modern offenses with negative plays.
Offenses are going to score points. I feel like to play championship football your team has to be able to score 40+ every time out and your defense needs to never give up 40+. There are going to be games, no matter how good your scheme and talent are, where you’re getting 500+ yards of offense on you.
Defenses today have a choice. Run a 3-4 Aranda type style and get less pressure, keep the ball in front of you or run a 4-3 pressure defense and hope to slow down modern offenses with negative plays.
Offenses are going to score points. I feel like to play championship football your team has to be able to score 40+ every time out and your defense needs to never give up 40+. There are going to be games, no matter how good your scheme and talent are, where you’re getting 500+ yards of offense on you.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 9:54 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:53 am to Yaboylsu63
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Mingo or Chaisson.
When you have guys like this it almost doesn’t matter what the scheme is. It’s the ole Johnny’s and Joe’s not X’s and O’s.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:57 am to Yaboylsu63
Lol there’s no place on the rant for X’s and O’s
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:01 am to Yaboylsu63
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Admittedly I am no expert, but with offenses moving to 4/5 WRs every down, wouldn’t you prefer the 3-4 D instead? This would give you the 4th LB that can cover more effectively and rush as well - think Mingo or Chaisson.
If we are thinking about traditional 3-4 vs 4-3 the main differences is gap responsibility. The players that you need for each are fairly different (especially on the defensive line).
If it's 3-4 they play a 2 gap scheme which basically means each defensive lineman job is to control the gaps to either side if them, eat up blocks, and allow the linebackers to clean up the mess.
If it's 4-3 everyone has their own gap they must play and if one person isn't in their gap then its a big play. Defensive line is meant to be very aggressive.
Now a days you really see more of a 4-2-5 scheme out of most teams and depending in what their "base" is will depend on the types of players in those roles. Chaisson was strictly a pass rushing LB in arandas 3-4 and would be just as good of a DE in a 4-3.
The problem of last year had more to do with poor coaching and discipline. Players constantly weren't playing their gaps or got shoved out of them by the other team.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 10:02 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:08 am to Rosenblatt
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Orgeron knows defensive strategies and gives us a schematic advantage worth no less than 7 points every week
I’m not concerned. I have total confidence
Your schtick gets old real quick.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:14 am to Yaboylsu63
There is no such thing as a 4-3 or 3-4 anymore. no matter what they run it has to be multiple.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:17 am to Yaboylsu63
It not going to matter what it’s called. It will be multiple and situational as to how many linebackers and DB’s are on the field. You will likely have two tackles most of the time though and if they can pressure the middle it will make the whole defense better.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:20 am to Yaboylsu63
Either way, you have to rush 4 guys or else the QB has all day to throw. It doesn’t matter if it’s out of a 3 or 4 man line. Modern football’s intricacies are all on the backend in the defensive backfield
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:28 am to Yaboylsu63
That’s why you have the 4-2-5. Nobody runs a 4-3 base defense anymore
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:32 am to Yaboylsu63
No
Any good team is running a variation of a 4-2-5 disguised as a 4-3
Any good team is running a variation of a 4-2-5 disguised as a 4-3
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:41 am to Tiger Don 318
If I’m not mistaken in his first tenure Pelini often left the third LB in against 3/4 WR sets which led to some bad mismatches.
I think you could only get away with that if your LB corps was something like Kwon/DW40/Debo
I think you could only get away with that if your LB corps was something like Kwon/DW40/Debo
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:41 am to Yaboylsu63
Don’t worry. The 4-3 LSU wiil run will be a 4-2-5, 4-1-6, or 3-2-6. You will not see much 4-3-4.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:45 am to Yaboylsu63
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think Mingo or Chaisson.
Mingo was a DE at LSU
And Chaisson was an absolute liability in coverage
Ideally, you aren’t covering a WR with a LB in a 3-4 or a 4-3. When you play 4-5 wide teams you play in a nickle or dime.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 10:46 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:46 am to Yaboylsu63
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This would give you the 4th LB that can cover more effectively and rush as well - think Mingo or Chaisson.
you picked 2 really bad examples
Posted on 6/20/21 at 10:47 am to tiger25
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If it's 3-4 they play a 2 gap scheme
some 3-4 schemes play 2-gap. not all
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If it's 4-3 everyone has their own gap
some 4-3 schemes play 1-gap. not all
Posted on 6/20/21 at 1:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
There are always exceptions to the general rules of any base defense.
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