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Fact is when you combined this roster with Johnny

Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:48 am
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:48 am
We were bound to get very poor results. Johnny's forte had always been recruiting, not in game coaching and he simply didn't recruit near well enough to replace Hornsby, Quarterman, Simmons, Gray and eventually Victor all leaving before SEC play this season.

We were ultimately left with one of the worst rosters in the SEC when Victor was booted off this year. Case in point, going by composite star rating on 247 for each SEC basketball roster this season, I'll rank the rosters accordingly:

1. UK - 7 5-stars, 2 4-stars, 2 3-stars, 1 International player
2. UF - 2 5-stars, 6 4-stars, 5 3-stars, 1 grad transfer
3. AU - 2 5-stars, 4 4-stars, 4 3-stars, 2 grad transfers (1 fmr. 4-star)
4. Bama - 7 4-stars, 5 3-stars, 2 grad transfers (1 fmr. 3-star)
5. MSU - 8 4-stars, 2 3-stars, 1 xfer
6. USC - 1 5-star, 3 4-stars, 5 3-stars, 1 2-star, 1 xfer, 2 unranked JUCOs
7. Arky - 5 4-stars, 6 3-stars
8. A&M - 6 4-stars, 3 3-stars, 1 grad xfer
9. LSU - 1 5-star, 2 4-stars, 8 3-stars
10. UT - 1 5-star, 10 3-stars, 1 xfer
11. UGA - 2 4-stars, 9 3-stars, 1 2-star, 1 xfer
12. Vandy - 3 4-stars, 6 3-stars, 1 xfer
13. Mizzou - 1 4-star, 8 3-stars
14. OM - 1 4-star, 7 3-stars, 1 international player


So basically we didn't have one of the more talented rosters in the conference this year which is what Johnny always needed to really win. Hopefully the new coach, not only is a better in-game coach, but can help rebuild the talent a bit here. We certainly need it.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:49 am to
And think how poorly he would have recruited without Temple backing him.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32624 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:50 am to
He couldn't make the tourney with Victor, Simmons and Blakeney. Johnny has literally no excuses. It would be such an Alleva move to keep him though.
Posted by pellietigersaint
Tiger Stadium
Member since Aug 2005
19043 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 9:51 am to
He's not that good of a recruiter either. that is just regurgitated information that everyone inserts into their narrative
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:02 am to
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He couldn't make the tourney with Victor, Simmons and Blakeney. Johnny has literally no excuses. It would be such an Alleva move to keep him though.


You forgot Tim Quaterman, you know that guy that's on an NBA roster today, and a senior leader in Hornsby, who is playing in the D-League.

this team this year didn't lack talent, it lacked talented depth.
You could put 5 guys out there that could compete on a talent level with just about anyone. it's the backups that lacked the talent. and the fact that there is no leader on this team.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:11 am to
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this team this year didn't lack talent, it lacked talented depth.



Definitely lacked some talent compared to other SEC teams and our own team's from the recent past. 1 5-star and 2 4-stars is pretty meager, especially when you consider 1 of those 4-stars is ER III who is basically like a walk on. The depth in the front court is the worst it's ever been just about.
Posted by Elleshoe
Wade’s World
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:16 am to
Temple helps him recruit? I've heard it all now
Posted by St Jean The Baptiste
Laredo, TX
Member since Aug 2015
5828 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:19 am to
Plus he kicked one of the best players off the team for no reason.

Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:25 am to
Everyone knew there would be a drop off. But for frick's sake, we should be able to win more than 2 games in the worst P5 conference.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:29 am to
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1 5-star and 2 4-stars is pretty meager,


This isn't football where talent is absolutely needed to be good. Dayton has never had a guy higher than a 3 star on their team, yet they would beat the crap out of LSU and if they were in the SEC would still make the tourney every year, even with their average talent.

Blakeney is an NBA talent.
Brandon Sampson might be the most athletic guy in the league, and that's saying a lot considering Blakeney looks like he has springs in his shoes.
They have two 6'9" guys that can block shots and hit a shot from the outside.
and a freshman point guard with size.

They might not have the best scorers on their team, but the talent they have should make them a great defensive team, yet they are one of the worst defensive teams ever, and that falls solely on the coach, not the players.

LSU keeps pouring players into the NBA, but has absolutely nothing to show for it other than a Final Four 11 years ago. You realize that there are only a handful of teams in the country that have more alums on NBA right now than LSU? and the 4 best players from the Final Four aren't in the league anymore, just Temple is.
Posted by whoisnickdoobs
Lafayette
Member since Apr 2012
9352 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:41 am to
Please don't F up this next hire Joe. Now, more than ever is the time to put up some $$ and get somebody good. You saved money on football with coach O. Time to splurge on this B-Ball program that's at the bottom of conference with even less talent coming back next year.

No matter who he hires it'll take AT LEAST 2-3 years to get the B-Ball program to be a top 3 SEC team.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:46 am to
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Blakeney is an NBA talent.
Brandon Sampson might be the most athletic guy in the league, and that's saying a lot considering Blakeney looks like he has springs in his shoes.
They have two 6'9" guys that can block shots and hit a shot from the outside.
and a freshman point guard with size.
You are vastly overstating the talent. Blakeney might be a future NBA talent. He wouldn't make a d-league roster now. Those 6-9 guys really aren't worth discussing. The team lacks strength and toughness. No coach in the country would make that roster an NIT team. That doesn't take blame from JJ, though.
Posted by GeismarGeauxer
Geismar
Member since Dec 2009
5172 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:49 am to
Temple didn't want Trent Johnson hired so did what he could to sabatoge his ability to recruit LA.
JJ is Temple's handpicked coach so he did support LA players coming to LSU during Jj's tenure.
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
127371 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:55 am to
This makes what Bryce Drew has done more impressive than I thought it would have been.
Posted by karralum
southeastern conference territory
Member since Apr 2012
1138 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 10:57 am to
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So basically we didn't have one of the more talented rosters in the conference this year which is what Johnny always needed to really win


You do realize what fan base you are talking to right? They will beg to differ, but many people who follows aau and college basketball in this day and age knows this. Last year ok i get it, but then when you hear about the things that went on behind closed doors, you kinda get that too.But clearly yhis team was horrible,low iq, horrific shooting and turnover prone.

They caught Livingston(asst coach) with an expression that was priceless after a turnover and score, that pretty much summed the season up.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79613 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 11:07 am to
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This isn't football where talent is absolutely needed to be good. Dayton has never had a guy higher than a 3 star on their team, yet they would beat the crap out of LSU and if they were in the SEC would still make the tourney every year, even with their average talent.


Because they're a disciplined team. And that's a result of good coaching.

Case in point: in 1989, I saw Roy Williams bring a Kansas team in a rebuilding year with 5 slow, undersized starters into the PMAC, and they whipped the living tar out of that fabled LSU team of Shaq, Chris Jackson and Stanley Roberts.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 11:09 am
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25444 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 11:08 am to
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You are vastly overstating the talent. Blakeney might be a future NBA talent. He wouldn't make a d-league roster now. Those 6-9 guys really aren't worth discussing. The team lacks strength and toughness. No coach in the country would make that roster an NIT team. That doesn't take blame from JJ, though.


Blakeney will make an NBA roster. He may take a while to develop b/c of the poor coaching he's received in college, but he'll be in the NBA.
and I don't know if you remember, but that arse whipping we handed out in Houston, a bunch of scouts were at that game to see Reath.

there will be many teams with less talent that will win games in tourney, get at large bids in the tourney, and make the NIT and win games. The country isn't littered with 5 stars and 4 stars. There's only so many out there. there's over 300 ncaa teams. the vast majority of them play without 4 and 5 stars every year.

LSU would have finished middle of the pack at best of the A-10 this year, but would have been the most talented team in the conference based on these stars.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 11:14 am
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79613 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 11:10 am to
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when you hear about the things that went on behind closed doors,


This shite again?

Dude, either spill or GTFO with that crap.
Posted by tigersbb
Member since Oct 2012
10276 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 11:17 am to
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3. AU - 2 5-stars, 4 4-stars, 4 3-stars, 2 grad transfers (1 fmr. 4-star)


By this standard the biggest flop in the league is Bruce Pearl. Yet some people are clamoring for him to replace Johnny Jones.
Posted by karralum
southeastern conference territory
Member since Apr 2012
1138 posts
Posted on 3/9/17 at 11:17 am to
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Dude, either spill or GTFO with that crap.


Entitlement generation wants everything handed to them, do a little research, heck they talked about it last night sheesh.
And could you stop hijacking the op with senseless attacks, either contribute to the post or shut up.
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