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exactly what is the targeting rule designed to accomplish?

Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:45 am
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:45 am
I thought it was to protect the players from concussions as much as possible and the tacklers from neck injuries.

but, I learned in the aggie/bama game that it's ok to spear or lead with the helmet unless the player was "defenseless", whatever that means. in that game, a bama player almost killed speedy noil and no flag was thrown. it happen later in the game; still no flag. but when an aggie player led with the helmet, he was flagged and I believe, ejected.

that play against Williams last night was clearly a spear. and the bama player clearly hit Watson on the head during a tackle.

I remember other head to head blows that bama has done (against fournette 2 yrs ago) and no flag.

can someone explain this rule? in laymens language? is bama exempt?
Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24276 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:47 am to
All I know is Reuben Foster will either be paralyzed or kicked out of the NFL. And by the time he's 35 he'll have the brain of a 90yr old. I don't think I've ever seen someone hit so violently with his head down repeatedly.
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:47 am to
quote:

? is bama exempt?

Of course they are. You think an official wants to be subject to one of those Saban tirades?
Posted by Fonzarelli
Dallas
Member since Jan 2015
3972 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:49 am to
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I don't think I've ever seen someone hit so violently with his head down repeatedly.


Would be a strong LB core for the Saints
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10429 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:52 am to
Another arbitrary rule to allow games to be influenced when desired. That is it.
Posted by stephendomalley
alexandria
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Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:52 am to
you can hit with the helmet as long as it's not the crown and the player isn't defenseless. you can see this because when a RB is coming into the middle he is ducking and guys are flying in.

they said that willaims wasn't defenseless when he get the helmet to helmet which wasn't the crown. however, he was wrapped up completely and motionless. he couldn't move. he was being held by an Alabama tackler. the LB came in with the helmet and almost put him out of the game.

I think Williams was defenseless in this situation. the refs should've thrown the flag and reviewed it at the very least.
Posted by DONHOGG
NE Louisiana
Member since Feb 2007
1981 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:54 am to
Didn't Foster spear LF on a kickoff return in 2014 with no call?
Posted by BayouBengalinBama
Member since Jul 2005
4398 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:55 am to
You cannot lead with the crown of the helmet above the neck area on any player with the ball - defenseless or not.

Bad thing is it is something that is not clearly defined so each crew will call it differently.

I thought last night there were clearly 2 targeting penalties not called.
Posted by MightyYat
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2009
24276 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 9:58 am to
quote:

you can hit with the helmet as long as it's not the crown and the player isn't defenseless. you can see this because when a RB is coming into the middle he is ducking and guys are flying in.

they said that willaims wasn't defenseless when he get the helmet to helmet which wasn't the crown. however, he was wrapped up completely and motionless. he couldn't move. he was being held by an Alabama tackler. the LB came in with the helmet and almost put him out of the game.

I think Williams was defenseless in this situation. the refs should've thrown the flag and reviewed it at the very least.



When they helicoptered Watson, Foster hit his facemask with the crown of his helmet. If he dumbass just keeps his head up it would've been a clean hit. But no, Radio can't help but lower his helmet.
This post was edited on 1/10/17 at 9:59 am
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10429 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:38 am to
quote:

they said that willaims wasn't defenseless


Well, it Williams was not defenseless, then no one is defenseless. That was a spearing which has always been illegal. When I saw that after the hit on Watson, I was completely convinced that Clemson would lose. However, they have a good enough team and coaching staff to beat the gumps and the refs. Bama got every break. Every single one, so the gump fans, who are conspicuous by their absence, can go pound salt.
Posted by Chaseff
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2011
1165 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 10:42 am to
Stpendomalley has it right. It is a difficult call to make and two helmets can hit simultaneously also where there is no call. The speed at which these things happen also makes it difficult to call. In high school, we have to determine if you lead with the helmet
Posted by DeltaDoc
The Delta
Member since Jan 2008
16089 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 11:25 am to
Yes...and LF was concust.
Posted by Quid Pro Quo
SEC
Member since Dec 2013
541 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:36 pm to
It is designed to preserve the sport by protecting the athletes from Cumulative Traumatic Encephalopathy, Paralysis, Dementia, Disability, etc.

And if this is the game we’re going to hope remains with us three decades from now, we’re going to have to let it evolve. "When in question, it is a foul," the rule says. We have to err on the side of player safety, and if that requires rules even more game-changing than targeting (it surely does), then so be it.

Saban could play the game straight up and either win or lose cleanly and preserve the sport. God knows he has enough Roster strength. But he knew Watson was going to outplay Hurts. Kiffen's ouster was a bonehead move. And he knew their Pace of Play was going to wear down that Defense if he did not try to slow Clemson down. He did not play the game fairly and he GOT WHAT HE DESERVED.

Targeting doesn't just mean helmet to helmet





Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27714 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:39 pm to
dont apply to gumps
Posted by Lonnie4LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
9525 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

is bama exempt?


It's not just Bama. I am not sure even the refs have a clear understanding of what the targeting call is all bout. Every Sat. you saw debates in the TV booths and among refs over that call.

It's all bout player safety and at lease college football is trying.

Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

It's all bout player safety and at lease college football is trying.


well they're not trying hard enough, imo.
Posted by headhunter
Las Vegas NV
Member since Sep 2012
201 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:19 pm to
The purpose of this rule is to protect QBS.

All the helpless/defenseless language is just window dressing allowing QBS to be further protected by officials

It''s a QBCentric game and few athletes have the skill set to handle the unique requiremens of the position.
Posted by tigerfan in bamaland
Back Home now
Member since Sep 2006
61076 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:28 pm to
Saw Brown target in the 1st qtr of the National Championship game. No call. That Williams is a tough motherfricker.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68236 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 5:36 pm to
It's something I've complained about for years. The refs suck.


Inconsistencies. It needs to be a full time job where these guys are doing clinics and repetition in the offseason. They need to be recertified on the rules.

Just like with any company, constant training to keep up with the changes.

Now they might already do these things, but it isn't showing.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:11 pm to
I know LSU got range up a couple of times for it. I only watched 4 Bama games but there was at least one in each of those 4 that went uncalled and none called against them that I have heard of.

Worse is that none were even reviewed in bamas case. I'm sure other teams have gotten away with it as well but I have seen it called in many games this year just not against Bama.

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