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re: Does Welter prove his haters wrong this season?
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:21 pm to Dr Von Nostrand
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:21 pm to Dr Von Nostrand
Honestly, I think he'll improve most likely, but not enough. It's in Chavis and Miles' hands, not like us debating it means much.
As those saying Chavis knows more than anyone on this board, while likely true, it doesn't make him infallible.
Miles and Chavis both have major flaws despite how good they've been. Sometimes they simply make the wrong decisions. Look at the 2012 Bama game for an example.
In the end, Welter's reaction time and reflexes are horrible and while he may diagnose a play right, he doesn't do it fast enough or react to that identification quick enough to be even a middle of the road MLB.
You can't fix that and it has nothing to do with his 40 time.
As those saying Chavis knows more than anyone on this board, while likely true, it doesn't make him infallible.
Miles and Chavis both have major flaws despite how good they've been. Sometimes they simply make the wrong decisions. Look at the 2012 Bama game for an example.
In the end, Welter's reaction time and reflexes are horrible and while he may diagnose a play right, he doesn't do it fast enough or react to that identification quick enough to be even a middle of the road MLB.
You can't fix that and it has nothing to do with his 40 time.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 2:31 pm
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Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:23 pm to SouthdownsTiger
we can't question the decision of a football coach yet he can question the president.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:25 pm to Geauxgurt
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Honestly, I think he'll improve most likely, but not enough. It's in Chavis and Miles' hands, not like us debating it means much
Hey, this guy get's it.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:26 pm to Geauxgurt
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It's in Chavis and Miles' hands, not like us debating it means much.
true, i'll just prepare myself for more screaming
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:37 pm to LSUButt
You make some valid points. We all saw his short comings but what is harder to see was the lack of double teams on our defensive tackles. How many times did a guard come free and hit our linebackers. Welter did miss tackles and he should have made tackles before the running backs were able to make first downs. But a lot of the blame goes to our poor line play. That is why the Freak went undrafted. He looked like superman and played like Jane. He escaped the criticism because his being owned wasn't as obvious. It was obvious to the coaches and knowledgeable fans and our safety play was equally horrid with many missed tackles. Am I wrong? It doesn't make how DJ played acceptable. But Coach Chavis played the best cards in his hand. Like it or not, it is his call. I personally thing that Ronnie Feist is the best player not being used. The kid is a hard nose tackling machine. Does he have problems learning his responsibilities? Experimenting with him at DE caused him to be a red shirt. I hope that they find a place for this guy on the field.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:37 pm to Geauxgurt
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In the end, Welter's reaction time and reflexes are horrible and while he may diagnose a play right, he doesn't do it fast enough or react to that identification quick enough to be even a middle of the road MLB.
You can't fix that and it has nothing to do with his 40 time.
I just want to hear one of his supporters call him a good starting MLB, that's it. Don't hide behind "well if the coaches..." Until welter's play improves greatly people will debate whether or not he should be out there. I don't get why it ruffles the feathers of so many. I don't recall gray tiger defending JJ when these types of threads were a daily occurence
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:39 pm to rickyh
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. He escaped the criticism because his being owned wasn't as obvious
I don't know where you were last season but johnson was certainly not above criticism on here
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:39 pm to TDTGodfather
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agree. but chavis uses undersized guys at LB bc they are usually fast/quick. welter is not slow but he's not overly fast/quick either.
Welter was too damn small. Since we like to go lighter and faster on the outside, we still need that big 235-245 man roaming the middle for run support. Welter was like what, 225 at most? I'm hoping the added bulk helps him bring down opponents closer to the line, or better yet, behind it.
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:51 pm to Datbayoubengal
I beg you please, please, PLEASE prove us wrong Welter!!!! I can't take another season of watching missed tackle after missed tackle, bad angle, after bad angle and the inability to shed SEC blocks.
I'm still trying to figure out why he was considered the best we had last year... Only logical explanation is the "coach on the field" theory.
I'm still trying to figure out why he was considered the best we had last year... Only logical explanation is the "coach on the field" theory.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 2:56 pm to therick711
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therick711
Dude, the picture you just used makes no sense in response to what he said..fail.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:00 pm to BilJ
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I just want to hear one of his supporters call him a good starting MLB, that's it. Don't hide behind "well if the coaches..."
You do realize how silly that sounds, correct?
My stance all along is simply Chief knows better than we fans do. At least most of us apparently.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:00 pm to BilJ
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Until welter's play improves greatly people will debate whether or not he should be out there.
Yup. Armchair quarterback will always exist.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:07 pm to tigerjab
Hating a 20 yr old college player who is out there busting his butt for LSU just shows the class of the ranters here. And I am sure he has more talent in his left big toe than 999% of his haters here. But, considering how many busted plays LSU had last yr on defense, having an "intelligent" defensive LB who can hold his own is exactly what this defense needs till the offense comes around. I'll never boo any college player, let alone a LSU one.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:20 pm to Keltic Tiger
Man I'd love for Welter to hold his own. It would make our defense less susceptible to the power running game that we will face. Don't give me that age bullshite. He a man... He plays for LSU... You must be thinking of high school players...
This post was edited on 7/17/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:22 pm to Keltic Tiger
quote:this doesn't even make sense
. But, considering how many busted plays LSU had last yr on defense, having an "intelligent" defensive LB who can hold his own is exactly what this defense needs
and no one hates the kid, calm the frick down
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:25 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Hating a 20 yr old college player
so pointing out that there was a huge drop off in MLB production from 2012-2013 is "hating"?
so silly
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:29 pm to BilJ
Welter just isn't talented enough to be an SEC Linebacker. He can't get off blocks, misses tackles and is slow in coverage.
Whenever you do see him make a tackle, it's always past the line, a few yards downfield.
We need someone at middle linebacker who isn't going to get driven back out of the middle of the defense. They ran right over and through him last year! until I see any different, there's not much going to change.
Whenever you do see him make a tackle, it's always past the line, a few yards downfield.
We need someone at middle linebacker who isn't going to get driven back out of the middle of the defense. They ran right over and through him last year! until I see any different, there's not much going to change.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:29 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Hating a 20 yr old college player who is out there busting his butt for LSU just shows the class of the ranters here. And I am sure he has more talent in his left big toe than 999% of his haters here.
There should be a sticky on every message board on sports that only says "if the best thing you can say about a player is that playing him is better than playing people who aren't players of the sport, stop. You have already lost the debate."
If the only comparison you can draw to make a player look good is that people who don't play aren't as good as him, logically one must infer that literally every other person who plays at that level is better than that player.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:31 pm to therick711
if welter is so damn fast like some of you rantards are claiming he is, why not just put him at OLB where he won't get plowed in the middle?
Answer- he ain't fast.
Answer- he ain't fast.
Posted on 7/17/14 at 3:31 pm to Keltic Tiger
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But, considering how many busted plays LSU had last yr on defense, having an "intelligent" defensive LB who can hold his own is exactly what this defense needs till the offense comes around. I'll never boo any college player, let alone a LSU one.
If this was the case, LSU's defensive middle wouldn't have been horrible last year. The fact is that Welter isn't physically capable to play the position at even a slightly above average level if even average. I stated his reflexes and reaction times are simply not adequate.
I love people always claiming Chavis knows best. He is human and has made numerous mistakes as a coach. He's not perfect as no coach is.
That said, having a player with poor reaction time in the middle of your defense is a major issue. He's not a hard hitter, adding weight will likely only make him slower, and you don't improve natural instincts and reaction time.
In the end, some coaches get enamored with players for whatever reason. See Miles with JJ over Lee even if only in specific games like the Tennessee game in 2010.
In the end, arguing about it solves nothing.
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