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Does the 25 cap limit only effect the sec schools?

Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:37 am
Posted by Blktiger
Spartanburg, South Carolina
Member since May 2015
1169 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:37 am
I have a friend who works at Miami and he was telling me they can sign 5-7 more players but they have 20 committed how is that possible? He said they were under the schlorship limit but I think lsu is too with all the attrition we have had.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27765 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:39 am to
No, it isn’t just the SEC and back counting is still allowed.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:43 am to
You can back count to the previous class if you didn't use your allotment and you have EEs to fill them. Don't know where the hard cap came from because it still works like it has for years. LSU can't because they used up all of their allotment with the transfers and the fact that the new rules count players that wouldn't have counted before, like Seth Stewart. Don't have a clue about Miami's situation, but it is very possible.
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3068 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:55 am to
This is not how it works anymore. 25 is a hard cap. Started this year.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27765 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 10:57 am to
It isn’t any more of a “hard cap” than it was previously. It’s a “hard cap” of 25 per academic year, but you can count back to the previous academic year just like you always could.

Feel free to quote the bylaw that states differently.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:00 am to
quote:

This is not how it works anymore. 25 is a hard cap. Started this year.


Ignorance is bliss. Stay blissful my friend.
Posted by TchPowDog
Zachary, LA
Member since Sep 2015
4798 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 11:40 am to
quote:

Does the 25 cap limit only effect the sec schools?

What do you think this is, Russia?
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3068 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 1:20 pm to
LINK

quote:

Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent. Exceptions exclude current student-athletes who have been enrolled full-time at the school for at least two years and prospective or current student-athletes who suffer an incapacitating injury (effective for recruits who sign after Aug. 1, 2017).


Here you go.
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3068 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 1:21 pm to
LINK

quote:

Under the old rule, LSU would be able to sign 27 players in the 2018 class. However, 25 is the number that Ed Orgeron and his staff must juggle.


Ignorance must truly be blissful.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 1:46 pm to
Here is a link to where I posted the actual rules from the manual. The bold text is what matters. Further down is a link to the manual:

My Post

The 25 limit applies to the academic year (e.g. 17-18, 18-19, etc). If we were to sign only 24 in 17-18, in 18-19 we would be able to sign 26 if we had an EE that we could apply to 17-18, thus giving 25 in each academic year.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
27765 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 1:51 pm to
First, you didn’t post the actual bylaw or you would see the language that still specifically allows backcounting.
Using the paragraph you posted, the bolded part is what is different this year, not the 25.
quote:

Football Bowl Subdivision schools are limited to signing 25 prospective and current student-athletes to a first-time financial aid agreement or a National Letter of Intent.
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3068 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 2:44 pm to
Understood. Thanks for linking, that was informative.

I guess I was just thinking of LSU's class this year.
Posted by lovemytigers1
far away land
Member since Aug 2014
1021 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 3:20 pm to
bet grumps get around the the bama rule
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
13940 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 3:51 pm to
*affect
Posted by lukestar
Parts unknown
Member since Dec 2004
3459 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 4:31 pm to
OK, explain this concerning the hard 25 cap...What happens when a player leaves the program such as Mouton transferring or Keys or Guice leaving early for the NFL? Are we just down those scholarships or can they be replaced?
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4057 posts
Posted on 12/31/17 at 4:57 pm to
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What happens when a player leaves the program such as Mouton transferring or Keys or Guice leaving early for the NFL?

That is just part of the attrition. You do not get more signing spots because of it. You can have 85 active scholarship players on a roster. Most schools are at a slightly less number so they can award deserving walk ons a scholarship too. In four years you can sign 100 athletes, and since some portion of each class will be here for 5 years, that's even more spots.

Historically, some "processing" was required in order to sign full class. The attrition just makes that a little less brutal. Now under the new rules, we will sign fewer players over time because more players count. It is true that if you consistently go nuts on grad transfers, JC transfers, have a lot of your own transferring out of the program and have a lot of early NFL defectors, then you find yourself below the 85 pretty quickly. But if you stop the grad and JC transfers, you should be able to get healthy pretty quickly.

Not saying what we did is going to get us in trouble at all. But if you do it year after year it will catch up on you.
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