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dennistracy
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I think he's in a tough situation. Say what you want about his off-field choices. That I won't defend.

But, do you expect him to trash Terrace Marshall, Jamar Chase, etc. in public to the media? What does that say about him and his relationship with their friends that are still on this roster if he labels them quitters and selfish as we do on here?

He has to manage the egos and feelings of the kids still there, that have personal ties to those that opted out. So not much he can really say there.

He also is not going to call his assistant coaches idiots to the media as well. How will he eventually hire new coaches if he gets that reputation? How will he get them to work hard through adversity if they don't trust him?

It's easy to be honest and care-free when you are winning as big as we were last year. But, we have 2nd-tier talent this year due to defections and youth. He's trying to stay positive outwardly because panicking would be much worse.


Topwater Trout
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He will not acknowledge that we have culture and moral issues. Don't know how deep they go but they are DAMN sure there.


can you give me an example of any coach that lets out in house issues?


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It's easy to be honest and care-free when you are winning as big as we were last year. But, we have 2nd-tier talent this year due to defections and youth. He's trying to stay positive outwardly because panicking would be much worse.


Agree 100% with your whole post.


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Gris Gris
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He's not going to talk about off field/culture/moral issues. Come on, are you seriously asking him to go into detail about those internal matters? GEEEEEEZZZ


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LSUfan4444
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He will not acknowledge that we have culture and moral issues


Do you want him to just fire himself? I mean, as with anyone in a position of power you have to recognize your shortcomings and surround yourselves with people who bring out the best in you and each other. You don't have to run to your boss or associates and tell them you have failed at it but you do have to recognize it when things haven't been copasetic.

One thing O has proven so far at LSU is when things havent "felt right" he has made changes. I'll give him the off-season remain consistent or not.


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He has been so up front and honest in the past and with LIMITED COACH SPEAK.


People are really quick to forget what it was like after the Miss St and Troy losses.

There was a lot of Coach speak in 2018.

I don’t blame O for its very coach does it’s he tells the truth when he can but he is still a coach


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SammyTiger
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One thing O has proven so far at LSU is when things havent "felt right" he has made changes. I'll give him the off-season remain consistent or not.


I am Hoping he can.

I’ll say this; Linehan isn’t the guy:

But if E retires and we just replace him instead of promoting from within I wouldnt Hate it.


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tigre704
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"My players hate me and aren't listening to anything we say" probably isn't going to play well with recruits.


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My biggest problem is people, including the AD, thinking Orgeron is a great HC because of last year. He's the same guy he was in 2017, 2018, 2019. A HC whose biggest strength is recruiting and is WHOLLY reliant on coordinators entirely preparing, implementing, teaching and executing a winning game plan. Once the game starts O is no more necessary or impactful than Mike the Tiger. Basically his impact is limited to deciding whether or not to go for it on 4th down.

That said, the program can clearly have tremendous success with that recipe...as long as the players and right coordinators are in place. O's primary responsibility is to get them in place. Unfortunately, his hires haven't panned out (particularly Pelini) and there is a bit of a lull in talent. In part because the 2018 class was weak overall and in part because opt-outs and early entries left him with a decimated and young roster incapable of replacing the void this season.

In short, he got WAY too much individual credit for last season, and is probably getting way too much criticism for this season (unless you want to say the decision to implement a big philosophy shift on defense with a DC in little demand is the biggest reason for this season's failures).

If 2020 has proven anything, is that there has to be some degree of oversight over his decisions. Hiring a new DC and (de facto) OC were not things he necessarily chose to do. If Aranda and Brady still wanted to be here they would. O wasn't firing either. However, the hiring of two guys in such little demand to fill those positions should have been questioned BEFORE they were hired. Particularly when Pelini demanded a massive salary for which there was little to no market justification. I guess, understandably, the AD gave O the benefit of the doubt following the success of 2019. After this year, it is clear that unfettered authority to hire whoever he wants without question or scrutiny shouldn't be allowed.

I'm not saying O shouldn't be allowed to pick his staff. I's just that if his selections seem questionable (as Linehan and Pelini certainly were considering they deviate far from the model that produced the 2019 success) someone, specifically the AD, needs to have the balls to provide some degree of healthy scrutiny if warranted. O going out and hiring someone because 85 year old John Robinson told him to (Linehan) or because he didn't want a younger coach to leave after having great success (IMO, the biggest reason he hired Pelini) shouldn't just be accepted if it doesn't seem to be what is in the best interest of the program.


TigerLunatik
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He will not acknowledge that we have culture and moral issues

Seriously? There are plenty of things to be upset about this season, but the worst thing the head coach can do is go out and publicly admit to having in house issues during the season. I'm sure recruits would just love to hear that.


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SammyTiger
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Pelini hasn’t been our issue the last two games.

Damn we were doing ok against Auburn. 21 points came off turnovers.


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St Jean The Baptiste
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Does anyone have the original post?

I’m piecing together some of what was posted but would like to see it in its entirety.


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