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Defensive backfield comparison : 2019 vs 2011
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:56 pm
I know we do this every year, but I didn't really realize how absolutely loaded the backfield is in 2019. I absolutely think it can rival 2011. Sure, some of it is based purely on potential but we have legitimate reason to think potential will be reached at least in the case of Stevens and Fulton.
Stingley is somewhat of an unknown only because we haven't seen him play in a LSU uniform, but all reports solidify the idea that he'll at least be close to expectations.
First.. Rankings
2019(Delpit, Stevens, Stingley, Fulton)
As the only non 5-star of the group, Delpit is the scrub..
Player - Position Ranking - National Ranking
Delpit - 9 - 66
Stevens - 1 - 18
Stingley - 1 - 3
Fulton - 3 - 22
Average - 3.5 - 27.25
2011
I'm calling Reid, Taylor, Mathieu, and Claiborne the primary backfield for 2011 (out of 56 possible starts these 4 accounted for 54 with Reid and TM7 both being out 1 game)
This group did not include any 5 stars
Reid - 6 - 57
Mathieu - 15 - 218
Taylor - 13 - 174
Caliborne - 26 - 590
Average - 15 - 260
Obviously the rankings are a completely different level for 2019.
The production was off the chart for 2011 though.
274 tackles - 18 TFL - 12 INT - 8 Forced Fumbles
AVG over the 54 games played = 5.07 Tackles - .33 TFL - .22 INT - .148 FF
The production from the (projected) 2019 group isn't quite as impressive at first glance.
134 - 17 TFL - 7 INT - 1 FF
But when you average it up it's pretty comparable
AVG over the 34 games played = 3.94 Tackles - .5 TFL - .205 INT - .029 FF
It's also worth noting that Vincent, Battle and Harris played significant time especially in place of Stevens. They accounted for 17 starts.
As the only other active DBs, Simon and Brooks only accounted for 5 starts in 2011.
Sure the absolute production isn't there yet, but there is legitimate reason to think that this backfield will equal or surpass the legendary 2011 group.
Stingley is somewhat of an unknown only because we haven't seen him play in a LSU uniform, but all reports solidify the idea that he'll at least be close to expectations.
First.. Rankings
2019(Delpit, Stevens, Stingley, Fulton)
As the only non 5-star of the group, Delpit is the scrub..
Player - Position Ranking - National Ranking
Delpit - 9 - 66
Stevens - 1 - 18
Stingley - 1 - 3
Fulton - 3 - 22
Average - 3.5 - 27.25
2011
I'm calling Reid, Taylor, Mathieu, and Claiborne the primary backfield for 2011 (out of 56 possible starts these 4 accounted for 54 with Reid and TM7 both being out 1 game)
This group did not include any 5 stars
Reid - 6 - 57
Mathieu - 15 - 218
Taylor - 13 - 174
Caliborne - 26 - 590
Average - 15 - 260
Obviously the rankings are a completely different level for 2019.
The production was off the chart for 2011 though.
274 tackles - 18 TFL - 12 INT - 8 Forced Fumbles
AVG over the 54 games played = 5.07 Tackles - .33 TFL - .22 INT - .148 FF
The production from the (projected) 2019 group isn't quite as impressive at first glance.
134 - 17 TFL - 7 INT - 1 FF
But when you average it up it's pretty comparable
AVG over the 34 games played = 3.94 Tackles - .5 TFL - .205 INT - .029 FF
It's also worth noting that Vincent, Battle and Harris played significant time especially in place of Stevens. They accounted for 17 starts.
As the only other active DBs, Simon and Brooks only accounted for 5 starts in 2011.
Sure the absolute production isn't there yet, but there is legitimate reason to think that this backfield will equal or surpass the legendary 2011 group.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 5:12 pm
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 4:58 pm to tgerb8
I think you mean secondary or defensive backfield. Title was a little misleading. I enjoyed the info though.
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:00 pm to lsudave1
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Title was VERY misleading.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:02 pm to tgerb8
CEH = Spencer Ware
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:13 pm to tgerb8
Nobody literally ever calls dbs juSt backfield. That is reserved for running backs. Therefore anything you said is nullified. Thank you come again
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:47 pm to tgerb8
2010 backfield had those guys and Patrick Peterson with Ron brooks and tharold Simon to boot
This post was edited on 5/16/19 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 5/16/19 at 5:49 pm to tgerb8
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Stingley is somewhat of an unknown only because we haven't seen him play in a LSU uniform
Well, if we go by his spring game performance and what coaches have been saying, I'd tend to believe he is going to be one of the best CB LSU has ever had. I know it's just a spring game and most players are not playing at game level, but it is good indication of how he can play. But, I agree, it is somewhat of an unknown until he actually plays in a big game. I think this group definitely compares favorably to 2011.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 9:43 pm to tgerb8
The recruit rankings are irrelevant.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 11:30 pm to tigerbait121
I just dont see it. Ware was always looking for contact. Stiff arms and running people over was a normal thing for him. CEH seems like a more jump cut/quick burst agility back.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:26 am to tgerb8
Stevens isn't going to start. Probably Harris, Monroe has a shot.... Now they will all play, Stephens a ton, but he will be such a unique guy on the field. He will basically be positionless.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:40 am to IS_IT_GAMEDAY
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2010 backfield had those guys and Patrick Peterson with Ron brooks and tharold Simon to boot
2011 defensive backfield also had Brooks and Simon.
2010 also started Karnell Hatcher at Safety. Reid and TM7 were freshman. Reid didn’t get much PT till late in the year. TM7 was good, but he made a big leap from freshman to soph.
2011 DB’s were definitely the better group, even without PP7. There wasn’t a weakness (Hatcher)
2019 group has a ton of potential, but I dont know if it can reach 2011. We will need Stingley to play up to the absurd hype, and also someone to step up and have a great year at safety next to Delpit. Even if that happens, would be hard to match the depth that the 2011 DB’s had. Loston, Brooks, and Simon as rotational DBs is a pretty amazing backup group
Posted on 5/17/19 at 7:46 am to tgerb8
Super talented group. A lot of the secondary's success depends on the play of the DL and sometimes LBS--we had a solid squad up front then too (pieces seem to be in place this year as well).
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:00 am to tgerb8
I agree with most of what you’re saying, except that if you’re listing the starting 4 then you should replace Harris with Stevens. Harris will start at free and Stevens will serve as both a good backup to Delpit and sometimes as a nickel when we wanna run a hybrid and keep he and Delpit on the field at the same time.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 9:05 am to tgerb8
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Mathieu - 15 - 218
2011 Bednarik Award winner
quote:
Caliborne - 26 - 590
2011 Thorpe Award winner
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:50 am to bayou85
You know Delpit, Stingley, and Fulton will be the primary starters with K.Vincent as the primary Nickel.The other safety position is likely to be E.Monroe or T.Harris. I can't see J.Stephens playing as many snaps if he can't run and cover like Harris and Monroe (maybe Stephens has become faster and better in coverage from previous years). But Stephens seems to be more of a hybrid OLB or a rover safety like they used Delpit at the line of scrimmage last year.
It's like when Karnell Hatcher played at safety (not good) vs Karnell Hatcher playing LB (better fit). Or younger Harry Coleman at safety and then older Harry Coleman at LB (lead team in tackles).
Stephens is more athletic than both Coleman and Hatcher combined so if he can be the hitter than Coleman was I'd love to see more of him around the LOS
It's like when Karnell Hatcher played at safety (not good) vs Karnell Hatcher playing LB (better fit). Or younger Harry Coleman at safety and then older Harry Coleman at LB (lead team in tackles).
Stephens is more athletic than both Coleman and Hatcher combined so if he can be the hitter than Coleman was I'd love to see more of him around the LOS
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:15 pm to tgerb8
Where did you get those rankings from and why did you leave guys like Ron Brooks and Tharold Simon off of the 2011 group when they were such key contributors? Using starts instead of production is very misleading as Simon was our boundary corner for a big portion of the time while Honey Badger was inside making big plays, accounting for 2.5 TFLs, 2Ints and a team leading 12 passes defensed and Ron Brooks also having an outstanding season with 6.5TFLs, 2INTs, 8 passes defensed and 2 touchdowns. Your comparison seems very slanted in favor of the 2019 group and although they have excellent talent and a chance to do great things at present they’re nowhere near the 2011 group yet.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:27 pm to LSU1SLU
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Nobody literally ever calls dbs juSt backfield.
Besides being illiterate, this is also wrong. The defensive secondary is also known as "the defensive backfield".
Posted on 5/17/19 at 3:05 pm to Penrod
Wait, known as what???? Defensive backfield. Thank you. Exactly what I was saying genius. I’m sorry my phone capitalized two letters and made your brain completely unable to work. I get there isn’t much in there to work with
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:30 pm to LSU1SLU
quote:
Exactly what I was saying
Sorry, I misunderstood. It was unreadable, and not just because of the capitalization.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 4:43 pm to Penrod
Please. Quote it. I would love to know what’s unreadable. Please. I’m waiting lmao
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