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re: Column: The case for Jarrett Lee
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:49 pm to Carl Dubois
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:49 pm to Carl Dubois
I'll just wait for the next one he posts at 1 a.m on Monday night on tigerdroppings.com, while Nick Saban eats a Little Debbie snack and cashes another weekly check for 86 grand.
your comment intimates that b/c saban is making bank that he didnt mail it in. get a clue.
your comment intimates that b/c saban is making bank that he didnt mail it in. get a clue.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:53 pm to Tigerik
One thing I know about life, "You never know how high you can feel until you know how low you have been."
When you feel the low, the high is within reach and so much more appreciated. Never, never, never, give up!
When you feel the low, the high is within reach and so much more appreciated. Never, never, never, give up!
Posted on 10/18/09 at 9:57 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Having said that, I can't agree with your statement. I'm no expert, but each QB has had 8 starts and Lee is 4-4 with 14 TDS, 16 ints, and
JJ is 6-2 with 11 TDs, 3 ints, and none returned for TDs.
I done see how we can just gloss over 13 more ints with 7 resulting in quick 6 TDs and say: " Lee played poorly for much of 2008, but he wasn't worse than Jefferson in 2009".
Whether Carl's statement can pass muster or not the two seasons ('08 and '09) provide vastly different contexts for the QB's. Our defense in '09 has allowed the O (& JJ) to play at a much slower pace than what was demanded of JL in '08.
I'm not arguing that JL should start. I do think it would benefit JJ, JL, and LSU if he got play through a series/possession in the thick of things.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 10:04 pm to AlwysATgr
AlwaysATiger
It is about philosphy, not stats.
It is about philosphy, not stats.
Posted on 10/18/09 at 11:04 pm to TigersforEver
I said it last year, Jarrett Lee was a freshman who was getting the blame cause we were all so spoiled. And, yes i love that we're so spoiled. Jordan Jefferson is an amazing athlete but its not working. We're spoiled, lets get the offense back to what we want...one that showcases the athletes we have and keeps them coming here. You need both leadership and athleticism in SEC football. I was told by a friend in Oklahoma that Miles is too hardheaded. I'm the last one to point the finger at someone for that but I hope it's not so. I hope whatever he decides to do works, Go Tigers!!! 
Posted on 10/18/09 at 11:24 pm to Carl Dubois
Excellent points, Carl.
Lee's interception problem last year was part of Gary C and L. Miles also. They called terrible plays like the 1st play of the UGA's game that you mentioned.
This year they have been calling very conservative plays to avoid interceptions, hence the inept offense thus far.
I don't think Les and Gary have been fair to J. Lee at all.
You nailed it beautifully.
Now I don't know if Les and Gary are men enough to start Lee to see if he can get the offense moving.
Lee's interception problem last year was part of Gary C and L. Miles also. They called terrible plays like the 1st play of the UGA's game that you mentioned.
This year they have been calling very conservative plays to avoid interceptions, hence the inept offense thus far.
I don't think Les and Gary have been fair to J. Lee at all.
You nailed it beautifully.
Now I don't know if Les and Gary are men enough to start Lee to see if he can get the offense moving.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 1:17 am to Tigerik
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Great perspective Carl. I was in Tiger Stadium at the Florida game and when I saw all of the WR's open deep and JJ wouldn't throw it to them, I knew they were playing scared and not to win.
Please go back and count the time he had to see and throw it. Also see how far back he drops.....COACHING and Oline is the problem not Jefferson. Terrible article.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 6:01 am to KCBasketball
I have no problem with any coach changing the line up a little to try to get a spark, and I have no problem with a coach giving a guy who struggled in the past another chance.
I have no problem with Miles playing Lee.
But has JJ really been that bad? I am not sure that his performance justifies throwing him to the dogs. He gives up a lot of sacks, but that has a lot to do with coaching. Time for Crowton to step up and earn his pay.
We need Crowton to teach JJ not to take 6 sacks per game, and teach JL not to throw 3 INT's per game. Then, it wouldn't matter who Miles played.
I have no problem with Miles playing Lee.
But has JJ really been that bad? I am not sure that his performance justifies throwing him to the dogs. He gives up a lot of sacks, but that has a lot to do with coaching. Time for Crowton to step up and earn his pay.
We need Crowton to teach JJ not to take 6 sacks per game, and teach JL not to throw 3 INT's per game. Then, it wouldn't matter who Miles played.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:34 am to FightingTiger21
I say yes - pull out all the stops. I'm tired of this "coaching scared" stuff. It doesn't suit the Tigers true personality. We have some thoroughbreds on this team - let them run. We need Lee's quick release. Plus I like his toughness.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:37 am to Carl Dubois
No win in georgia with J.lee. he wouldn't have came through in that last drive. he wouldn't have made the game saving run either.the pressures to great 1.5sec -2sec to throw, with current blocking.With that pressure and his heart he'd be throwing the ball vertical alright, straight up in the air for pick 6's . face it LSU is not the best team in the nation, can't score from the 3 and 3rd. He's got to find a good O-line somewhere, should have tucked the ball and transfered, instead of pick sixing a year of his football life.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:49 am to NOLAtoChiTwn
No chance JL plays unless JJ gets hurt. while many of us might complain and gripe LM would might accept a 10-2 year. in order to do that, we need the defense to continue to improve and the offense not to commit turnovers.
Alabama is very beatable but you cant't tunrover the ball or give them a pick six (they only scored 1 offensive TD against S. Carolina.
JL is too risky, one turnover and that is the game with the defense they play.
Alabama is very beatable but you cant't tunrover the ball or give them a pick six (they only scored 1 offensive TD against S. Carolina.
JL is too risky, one turnover and that is the game with the defense they play.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 7:55 am to Carl Dubois
I've read through this entire thread and the ongoing JL vs JJ argument dominates, as always. But there should be no real argument that for whatever reason, JJ isn't really getting the job done. Play someone else at least some of the time. Lee sometimes, Shepard as a real quarterback sometimes.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:13 am to dinosaur
I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF A 5-1 TEAM CHANGING QBs.
how about the OL blocking for a 1200 yard back last year that is on pace for 1/2 that this year.
we need better OL play that is the most pressing problem. none of our QBs are good enough now to "win the game" for us.
we expected the QBs to be "average", we expected the OL to be "good"
how about the OL blocking for a 1200 yard back last year that is on pace for 1/2 that this year.
we need better OL play that is the most pressing problem. none of our QBs are good enough now to "win the game" for us.
we expected the QBs to be "average", we expected the OL to be "good"
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:15 am to Carl Dubois
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(I'm still in Baton Rouge. Where are you?)
Good one!
Posted on 10/19/09 at 8:43 am to AlwysATgr
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Our defense in '09 has allowed the O (& JJ) to play at a much slower pace than what was demanded of JL in '08.
I can't deny that as the D has saved our bacon, to this point, this year and helped cook it last year.
I don't think any reasonable person wouldn't admit that Lee had a heavy hand in cooking our bacon last year as well with the T/O's. My goodness, 16 T/O's with 7 being taken to the house by the other team. What would be said if a RB had a history of T/O's like that and he continued to be given the ball? Were they all totally his blame alone? No! Was he asked to do too much too soon? Yes! Should he be given another chance at some time? Yes! Should he replace JJ at this time? Hell no!! Should he, at this time, see action in a game whose fate is still undecided? I have to say no given his history of throwing the ball to the wrong team at an alarming rate.
Hey, I just want to win and I don't give a damn who wins it for us!
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:15 am to lsuchamps11
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how about the OL blocking for a 1200 yard back last year that is on pace for 1/2 that this year.
The problem with that is that the other team know we are not a threat to go vertical on them. No Oline in the world is gonna be able to block effectively against a stacked box defense.
JL can go vertical, which will take pressure off the O line... IN THEORY. I'd like to see JL in the game to see if that actually happens.
All I know is that this offense will struggle with our remaining 6 games if something doesn't change.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:17 am to Carl Dubois
I would like to see Lee get more of a chance. At the end of the year he was really getting beat up mentally and physically. They need to get him in more to build confidence. I would like to see him run a little more. Some more running might slow the rushers.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:26 am to surf23451
Great Post Carl!!!!
First off, I'll admit, I was calling to box up JL and mail him off somewhere last year for all the pick 6's, and my season tickets are in the corner where he threw the OT pick against Bama last year. That was the only game I saw last year and saw it end like that and it still leaves a bad tatse in my mouth. Alot of people are arguing that JJ has thrown so many less ints than JL and it is a valid point for not turning the ball over, but how about this stat. JJ so far this year has been sacked 18 times for -118 yards. In all of last season, JL was sacked 8 times for -74 yards. JJ doesn't know how to get rid of the ball, even with a sub-par O-line.
Give the guy a shot is all I'm saying. They both have their vices, and right now we know JJ's is hurting our offense, but we don't know the right fit until we see JL with this D.
First off, I'll admit, I was calling to box up JL and mail him off somewhere last year for all the pick 6's, and my season tickets are in the corner where he threw the OT pick against Bama last year. That was the only game I saw last year and saw it end like that and it still leaves a bad tatse in my mouth. Alot of people are arguing that JJ has thrown so many less ints than JL and it is a valid point for not turning the ball over, but how about this stat. JJ so far this year has been sacked 18 times for -118 yards. In all of last season, JL was sacked 8 times for -74 yards. JJ doesn't know how to get rid of the ball, even with a sub-par O-line.
Give the guy a shot is all I'm saying. They both have their vices, and right now we know JJ's is hurting our offense, but we don't know the right fit until we see JL with this D.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:29 am to Carl Dubois
I agree with Carl 100%. JL was a freshman last year who was basically thrown to the wolves because of the Perilloux fiasco. He wasn't ready and a lot of his pick 6s were because of that inexperience. JJ's not ready either and I really think that is part of the problem with the offense. Everybody complains about the vanilla offense but I really think the coaches are afraid to open up the playbook more because JJ can't handle it. The OL has had some problems but a lot of the sacks are not because of the OL lack of blocking but because of JJ's indecision and holding on to the ball too long. As far as the running game, it will never get better until the passing game gets better. Until it's proven that we can extend the field with the passing game teams are going to continue to load up the box making it almost impossible to run. I don't care how good the OL is, you cant block everybody when they constantly load up with 8 in the box. Give JL another chance. Even with the pick 6s we were scoring right at 30 points per game. With our defense this year I'll take that number every time.
Posted on 10/19/09 at 9:41 am to tford50
Carl is spot on. Les Miles is coaching scared and if he doesn't change something he will eventually lose his job.
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