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Coach O and coordinators thought
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:54 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:54 am
Ever since Coach O was hired based on him being in a CEO type of role as a head coach, you always heard "well what happens when Aranda and Canada leave?"
I thought about it a little more the other day, and it occurred to me that we lucked out having Aranda and Canada right from the start, because at least Coach O has seen the best and can compare future and employed coordinators to these two. I'm not totally sold on O, but it seems like the coaching staff has settled in after a rough start.
I thought about it a little more the other day, and it occurred to me that we lucked out having Aranda and Canada right from the start, because at least Coach O has seen the best and can compare future and employed coordinators to these two. I'm not totally sold on O, but it seems like the coaching staff has settled in after a rough start.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 9:00 am
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Posted on 11/16/17 at 8:58 am to 904
Also, apparently the verdict is still out on Canada, but anyone with eyes can see that there are plenty of plays to be made out on the field, especially compared to years past. Just because you're not scoring 50 a game doesn't mean you aren't fielding a great offense. Offensive efficiency and ball control are more important than total pts scored imo.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:00 am to 904
if we keep shelling out 1.5+mil to coordinators & they get full autonomy then the best will still come here no matter who the head coach is.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:01 am to 904
We'll see what happens. Stovall and Archer started out okay too.
But to be fair they've done a nice job stabilizing after a tough start, lets finish strong on the field and in recruiting and then see what happens next year.
But to be fair they've done a nice job stabilizing after a tough start, lets finish strong on the field and in recruiting and then see what happens next year.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 9:02 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:02 am to 904
The problem isn't getting coordinators. It's changing up the scheme every time a new coordinator comes because every one has their own nuances and language that's a little different than everyone else's.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:04 am to tke857
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if we keep shelling out 1.5+mil to coordinators & they get full autonomy then the best will still come here no matter who the head coach is.
Yep. Having that extra cash to pay top-notch coordinators is great. At the same time, just because you pay a guy a bunch of $$ doesn't guarantee that he'll be a great coordinator.
Also, the head coach's recruiting, demeanor, game decisions, and organizational skills still matter at least as much as any coordinator he could hire.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 9:13 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:22 am to 904
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Posted by 904
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9:04 am
ALIENS
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:24 am to 904
How is Canada even remotely considered one of the best OCs right now? I'm not saying he's bad but I don't think he can be considered one of the best right now.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:27 am to 904
Explain why total points scored is not the most important feature of an offense.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:28 am to Draconian Sanctions
Next year, baby. Next year.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:31 am to Brazos
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How is Canada even remotely considered one of the best OCs right now?
He was considered one of the best before he got this job, and I don't think he's done anything to lose that status this year considering what he's had to work with (3 starting freshmen o-linemen, a hurt starting RB, and a mediocre QB)
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:32 am to Goldrush25
quote:But every team with good coordinators deals with that problem.
The problem isn't getting coordinators. It's changing up the scheme every time a new coordinator comes because every one has their own nuances and language that's a little different than everyone else's.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:34 am to Salviati
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But every team with good coordinators deals with that problem.
Yeah, on one side of the ball.
Urban Meyer can get a new OC every year and that offense isn't going to change because the OCs run his offense. Same with Saban and his defense.
Here that's not the case. Aranda isn't running Orgeron's defense. Canada isn't running Orgeron's offense. So with our setup, we would be affected more than the average team with a coordinator change.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:35 am to 904
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Aranda and Canada
One of these things is not like the other.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:35 am to LSUStar
quote:This statement epitomizes one of the biggest problems with people who did not understand Miles.
Explain why total points scored is not the most important feature of an offense.
You can't analyze one side of the ball without examining how it impacts the other side of the ball.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:40 am to Salviati
I? understand Miles perfectly. He eschewed offense as a means of scoring points. You did NOT address my question.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:43 am to Goldrush25
What's to say O loses Aranda and continues with his defensive scheme with the new DC?
I think a lot of the O Haters just lay awake at nite and think of ways to demean the man.
And to aggravate you more
I think a lot of the O Haters just lay awake at nite and think of ways to demean the man.
And to aggravate you more
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:48 am to LSUStar
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Explain why total points scored is not the most important feature of an offense.
Offensive efficiency is the most important...
If you score 50 points but you do it with 30 possessions because the average possession only lasts a minute or two, that means the other team gets around 30 possessions as well assuming no kick returns or turnovers on special teams. See any Big12 game.
I'd much rather score 30 pts on 10 possessions while keeping the other team's defense on the field as much as possible, wearing them down as the game goes on (and also keeping your defense fresh). This doesn't mean running the ball the whole time necessarily, just efficiently racking up 1st downs and taking a shot here and there when it's open so long as you're moving the ball.
But what it all boils down to is, did my team score more points per possession than the other team's offense did?
aka Offensive Efficiency.
This post was edited on 11/16/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:55 am to Goldrush25
quote:If O wanted to run Canada's offense after Canada left, he could find a coordinator to run Canada's offense.
Yeah, on one side of the ball.
Urban Meyer can get a new OC every year and that offense isn't going to change because the OCs run his offense. Same with Saban and his defense.
Here that's not the case. Aranda isn't running Orgeron's defense. Canada isn't running Orgeron's offense. So with our setup, we would be affected more than the average team with a coordinator change.
If O wanted to run Aranda's defense after Aranda left, he could find a coordinator to run Aranda's defense.
And you don't really think that Meyer and Saban let their coordinators have significant autonomy?
This isn't rocket science.
Posted on 11/16/17 at 9:58 am to Goldrush25
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The problem isn't getting coordinators. It's changing up the scheme every time a new coordinator comes because every one has their own nuances and language that's a little different than everyone else's.
There can be other factors at play as well. I'm not saying CEO is Saban nor that LSU is AL, but changing coordinators every few years at AL hasn't caused them any big problems.
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