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CEO vs Pete Carrol
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:09 pm
Was watching Trojan War last night and started thinking, for obvious reasons, of a comparison between PC and CEO.
Here are some of my thoughts. The start of the Pete Carrol tenure at SC started off very similarly to that of CEO. Specifically, the whole of the LA media wanted no part of him there. Now I'm not suggesting that CEO was anywhere close to as qualified as PC but they were equally under the gun from day 1. PCsforst season was a disaster by SC standards- 6-6. The comparison is obvious here.
Carrol would go on to build one of the greatest dynasties college football has ever seen. Clearly, CEO is trying to duplicate that exact model here, right down to the way he runs his practices and the names of the days!
Here's where things go sideways though. CEO seems to lacked the requisite self confidence to deliver the way PC did. For instance, every time a coach speaks, he should only be speaking to the team. The team is the only thing that matters. Fans don't understand enough about what's going on and they can't make a tackle- why try to send them a message? Media? They'll spin it anyway. No matter where you are you should be sending a message to your team. Today, the message CEO sensation his team through his public outlets is one that says "I'm not sure you can do this and I don't know how to fix it. I'm worried everyone else will see it so I'm going to blame everything else for our problems."
The message that I've been dying to hear but haven't is a simple one.
We are LSU damnit. We chose you to come here because you have the ability to keep a proud tradition up. Every one of you do. Have pride and prove on the field that you deserve to wear the LSU logo regardless of your age, classification, or position."
Great leaders take the billlets and inspire people. CEO can't simply take the bones of Pete Carrols program and not inject the heartbeat that only a leader can inject and expect the same results. Want to be Pete Carrol? Make them believe they belong here and that they are a bunch of badasses!
Here are some of my thoughts. The start of the Pete Carrol tenure at SC started off very similarly to that of CEO. Specifically, the whole of the LA media wanted no part of him there. Now I'm not suggesting that CEO was anywhere close to as qualified as PC but they were equally under the gun from day 1. PCsforst season was a disaster by SC standards- 6-6. The comparison is obvious here.
Carrol would go on to build one of the greatest dynasties college football has ever seen. Clearly, CEO is trying to duplicate that exact model here, right down to the way he runs his practices and the names of the days!
Here's where things go sideways though. CEO seems to lacked the requisite self confidence to deliver the way PC did. For instance, every time a coach speaks, he should only be speaking to the team. The team is the only thing that matters. Fans don't understand enough about what's going on and they can't make a tackle- why try to send them a message? Media? They'll spin it anyway. No matter where you are you should be sending a message to your team. Today, the message CEO sensation his team through his public outlets is one that says "I'm not sure you can do this and I don't know how to fix it. I'm worried everyone else will see it so I'm going to blame everything else for our problems."
The message that I've been dying to hear but haven't is a simple one.
We are LSU damnit. We chose you to come here because you have the ability to keep a proud tradition up. Every one of you do. Have pride and prove on the field that you deserve to wear the LSU logo regardless of your age, classification, or position."
Great leaders take the billlets and inspire people. CEO can't simply take the bones of Pete Carrols program and not inject the heartbeat that only a leader can inject and expect the same results. Want to be Pete Carrol? Make them believe they belong here and that they are a bunch of badasses!
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:13 pm to Quatre Pot
Carrol wasn't in the USC program prior tho. And he didn't have a track record of losing on the college level. And Carrol wasn't spurting bull shite when he did pressers
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:17 pm to Quatre Pot
quote:
Here's where things go sideways though
things go sideways in this comparison when you realize Carroll is a x1000000000 better of a coach than O. Pete was considered a very good defensive mind and his run in the NFL was hardly a failure.
O has never ran his own defense and ran the only program he helmed into the ground.
You can take a person's blueprint but if you don't have the skills or talent to implement it than its worthless.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:18 pm to Quatre Pot
Pete Carroll chews gum like an arse hole would chew gum.
O needs to try it out
O needs to try it out
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:19 pm to Quatre Pot
The only NFL head coach who should ever be compared to O is Rick Venturi.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:20 pm to LlyodChristmas
Caroll was a former DC in the NFL and a former head coach in the NFL.....he did not do good there. College was his last chance
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:20 pm to saintsfan22
Results wise that's a good comparison. But I don't remember Venturi calling out players like o
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:24 pm to KiwiHead
He was 27-21 at NE, not great but not awful either
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:24 pm to KiwiHead
quote:
he did not do good there.
His records as Patriots HC:
97: 10-6 (Lost in 2nd round to Steelers)
98: 9-7 (Lost in 1st round to Jags)
99: 8-8
But coach o was such a success at ole miss so that makes this comparison spot on
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:29 pm to KiwiHead
quote:Carrol did okay at New England.
aroll was a former DC in the NFL and a former head coach in the NFL.....he did not do good there.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:29 pm to Quatre Pot
There's a huge problem with comparing O to pretty much any successful coach in college football.
He's never been a coordinator, nor was he successful in his first stint as a HC. Stop trying to compare him to coaches that had a down year to start off their tenure. ESPECIALLY those that were/are highly regarded for the expertise in running one side of the ball or the other.
The ONLY coach you can attempt to compare O to, based on circumstances, is Dabo. His first season after the interim tag was removed went for 9-5 and 6-7 his second year, which was on par with standards at Clemson at the time.
O MIGHT manage 5 wins this season.
He's never been a coordinator, nor was he successful in his first stint as a HC. Stop trying to compare him to coaches that had a down year to start off their tenure. ESPECIALLY those that were/are highly regarded for the expertise in running one side of the ball or the other.
The ONLY coach you can attempt to compare O to, based on circumstances, is Dabo. His first season after the interim tag was removed went for 9-5 and 6-7 his second year, which was on par with standards at Clemson at the time.
O MIGHT manage 5 wins this season.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:48 pm to Quatre Pot
Yeah, I can also attempt to recreate some of Einstein's expirements. But I'm not Einstein, so I won't be able to do it.
Pete Carrol, like most good coaches, are successful bc they create a system that works for them. You can't just copy a system and expect it will be the same unless all the inputs are the same.
Ed Orgeron is not Pete Carrol.
Pete Carrol, like most good coaches, are successful bc they create a system that works for them. You can't just copy a system and expect it will be the same unless all the inputs are the same.
Ed Orgeron is not Pete Carrol.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 12:50 pm to Quatre Pot
Carrol was a coordinator and tremendous football mind
Serious O is not bright
Serious O is not bright
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:06 pm to Quatre Pot
quote:
Clearly, CEO is trying to duplicate that exact model here, right down to the way he runs his practices and the names of the days!
Like I've been saying, I bet the binder is something Carroll put together at USC.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:07 pm to Quatre Pot
Does this mean when "O" leaves LSU will be put on probation?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:09 pm to Freauxzen
quote:
Like I've been saying, I bet the binder is something Carroll put together at USC.
I have no doubt he stole it from someone, but the essential problem with O, and the biggest difference I've noticed between him and Miles is that O isn't nearly as confident. There is a palpable sense of insecurity around him all the time.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:17 pm to Quatre Pot
Pete Carroll also ran the defense.
His teams have identities because he know what he wants.
O wants to be Pete but he isn't.
He is Pete - the ability to run one side of the ball.
His teams have identities because he know what he wants.
O wants to be Pete but he isn't.
He is Pete - the ability to run one side of the ball.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:18 pm to Quatre Pot
CPChad proven he can run a program at the professional levels.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 1:24 pm to KiwiHead
He wasn’t that bad considering it was NFL.. winning record?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:07 pm to BeeFense5
quote:
Pete Carroll chews gum like an arse hole would chew gum.
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