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Can we hire Pat Henry back yet?
Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:18 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:18 am
Can we crawl back and open our check book and beg to get the guy back that never wanted to leave in the first place?
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Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:38 am to LSUAshlyn
Nope. A&M is about to build him a spectacular outdoor facility to complement the brand new indoor facility he got a few years ago.
How Bertman let Henry walk out the door is one of the more mind numbing events in the history of LSU athletics. It would have been one thing to be outbid by another track power at least, but A&M has a garbage campus, shite facilities, and no tradition in track (prior to Henry's arrival). Utterly embarrassing, and it's such a shame. LSU would probably have upwards of 55+ national titles by now. He left Shaver with some LOADED rosters.
I'm not anti-Shaver, but I wouldn't be sad if he retired. eta: I think Shaver has done some really great things at LSU, and people who follow the sport understand there's more parity than ever. Not even Henry dominates even remotely close like he used to
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 7:47 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:42 am to tigerbait2010
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How Bertman let Henry walk out the door is one of the more mind numbing events in the history of LSU athletics. It would have been one thing to be outbid by another track power at least, but A&M has a garbage campus, shite facilities, and no tradition in track (prior to Henry's arrival). Utterly embarrassing, and it's such a shame. LSU would probably have upwards of 55+ national titles by now. He left Shaver with some LOADED rosters.
How much $$ does it bring in for A&M
Posted on 4/27/15 at 12:47 am to TigerBait1127
What the frick does that even matter? Let's ignore the fact LSU would probably only trail USC, UCLA, and Stanford in national titles, who compete in like 35 sports.
Baseball barely-and I can't stress barely enough-makes a profit. By your logic, LSU should be one of a 5 team league for college baseball
If you're going to have it, you might as well strive to be the best at it. But yeah, you're probably one of those who loathes Alleva for petty things, yet will justify Bertman letting our 27-time national title coach leave for a nobody
Baseball barely-and I can't stress barely enough-makes a profit. By your logic, LSU should be one of a 5 team league for college baseball
If you're going to have it, you might as well strive to be the best at it. But yeah, you're probably one of those who loathes Alleva for petty things, yet will justify Bertman letting our 27-time national title coach leave for a nobody
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:01 am to tigerbait2010
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What the frick does that even matter? L
Are you an idiot or just naive?
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:06 am to TigerBait1127
I'm just not naive to the fact LSU will never get rid of track and field, so why the hell not try and keep a coach who's won over 60% of the school's national championships? Oh yeaahhh, saving an extra 70k in order to get a cheaper track coach is such a game changer. Makes perfect sense. I sure wish I had the scope of vision you have on the situation
The majority of sports and programs in collegiate athletics don't turn a profit, so I guess we should all shut them down because they don't rack in millions, which is totally what collegiate athletics was intended for anyways.
The majority of sports and programs in collegiate athletics don't turn a profit, so I guess we should all shut them down because they don't rack in millions, which is totally what collegiate athletics was intended for anyways.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:10 am to tigerbait2010
It wasn't just about the pay raise, it was also about facilities.
I don't necessarily agree with letting him walk, but you bet your arse that it was about the bottom line
I always love the profit argument. LSU operates differently and has to. Also, most colleges intentionally don't turn profits with some accounting work
So you can ask why it matters, but it's the answer to your question. Naive
I don't necessarily agree with letting him walk, but you bet your arse that it was about the bottom line
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The majority of sports and programs in collegiate athletics don't turn a profit, so I guess we should all shut them down because they don't rack in millions, which is totally what collegiate athletics was intended for anyways.
I always love the profit argument. LSU operates differently and has to. Also, most colleges intentionally don't turn profits with some accounting work
So you can ask why it matters, but it's the answer to your question. Naive
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 1:15 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:15 am to TigerBait1127
The economy was booming when Henry left, especially energy. TAF doesn't hurt for money by any stretch of the imagination, even in today's recession.
It's embarrassing Bertman couldn't even promise Henry a relatively quick timeline to have a masterplan to update facilities. Could we honestly not afford to give our 31-time national title track program locker rooms?
It'd have been one thing if Bertman didn't actually penny pinch the new alex box and west side expansion like he did, but because of how he handled that, I find it hard to believe he offered a respectable contract.
I get what you're saying that it isn't a profitable sport, but there are certainly exceptions to the principle when the sport has won nearly 70% of your national titles. i doubt Henry was itching to leave for that shite college town that had zero tradition in track
It's embarrassing Bertman couldn't even promise Henry a relatively quick timeline to have a masterplan to update facilities. Could we honestly not afford to give our 31-time national title track program locker rooms?
It'd have been one thing if Bertman didn't actually penny pinch the new alex box and west side expansion like he did, but because of how he handled that, I find it hard to believe he offered a respectable contract.
I get what you're saying that it isn't a profitable sport, but there are certainly exceptions to the principle when the sport has won nearly 70% of your national titles. i doubt Henry was itching to leave for that shite college town that had zero tradition in track
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:20 am to TigerBait1127
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Also, most colleges intentionally don't turn profits with some accounting work
this argument is so overblown. you can't tell me these schools that are barely filling small stadiums are secretly raking in cash, just dodging the eye of auditors stumbling upon a gold mine.
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Naive
It's really not. Letting Pat Henry walk because "the sport doesn't make a profit" is outrageous, and I'm not even a fan of Title 9.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:23 am to tigerbait2010
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It's really not. Letting Pat Henry walk because "the sport doesn't make a profit" is outrageous, and I'm not even a fan of Title 9.
Maybe so, but there is your reason. I can't state it any clearer.
And LSU baseball makes a good bit. Likely over $2 million in profit with the new tv contracts
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:27 am to TigerBait1127
I just don't understand why you're trying to explain something to me that I already know. Bertman's reason for letting Henry walk doesn't exactly make me any less pissed at him. The guy threw 5000 bleacher seats into our brand new baseball stadium and built an upper deck that resembles nothing of our beloved tiger stadium. You're not enlightening me by telling me Bertman let Henry walk because it's a non-revenue sport
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 1:28 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:29 am to LSUAshlyn
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Can we crawl back and open our check book
Eh... There's a line.
Being good at track is cool and all (I guess)... But it's still just track. Let's not lose sight of what's important (football, baseball, basketball).
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:30 am to tigerbait2010
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You're not enlightening me by telling me Bertman let Henry walk because it's a non-revenue sport
Yet you threw a hissy fit about it and asked why it mattered. It's the entire logic behind the decision, so that is why it mattered.
I can't comprehend what I wrote for you. I said I didn't agree with it.
Good night
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 1:31 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:32 am to lsu2006
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Being good at track is cool and all (I guess)... But it's still just track. Let's not lose sight of what's important (football, baseball, basketball).
And I agree with this. I'm certainly not lobbying for LSU to give an arm and a leg for a track coach. Just from what I see from Bertman's body of work, I'm doubtful he met Henry halfway with even a semblance of commitment to keeping LSU a national power in track. it was inevitable LSU was going to slip when Arkansas and Oregon started pouring millions into their programs
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:34 am to tigerbait2010
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Just from what I see from Bertman's body of work, I'm doubtful he met Henry halfway with even a semblance of commitment to keeping LSU a national power in track.
Probably. I don't know enough about how it all went down to really comment, though. I'd hope there was some kind of effort to keep him, but in no situation do I want us ever getting in a knock-down drag-out bidding war over a track coach.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:35 am to lsu2006
Actually none of our sports are "important".
They are just extra-curricular activities. Football is the only thing that makes any semblance of a profit..............if that's what is meant by "importance". So, since we're REQUIRED to carry at least fourteen sports, we need to try and be good at ALL of them, period.
They are just extra-curricular activities. Football is the only thing that makes any semblance of a profit..............if that's what is meant by "importance". So, since we're REQUIRED to carry at least fourteen sports, we need to try and be good at ALL of them, period.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:36 am to lsualum96
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Football is the only thing that makes any semblance of a profit..........
That just isn't true. LSU football makes a ridiculous amount, but basketball and baseball both turn in very good profits. Likely over $5+ million combined
And way to misrepresent his argument to prop up your opinion
This post was edited on 4/27/15 at 1:39 am
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:37 am to lsualum96
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They are just extra-curricular activities. Football is the only thing that makes any semblance of a profit..............if that's what is meant by "importance". So, since we're REQUIRED to carry at least fourteen sports, we need to try and be good at ALL of them, period.
Wow.
Honestly don't even know where to begin with this.
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:44 am to TigerBait1127
quote:There's nothing naive about his question, or his frustration. LSU AD (and TAF) spend millions of dollars on things other than football, basketball and baseball, and not one penny of that money returns as much for the investment as every dollar of Henry's salary and every penny of facility improvements would have. So if it's just about money, it was a really dumb decision because we can't spend money any better than that outside the big 3. And it would not have taken as much money as ALL the other spending does.
Naive
Posted on 4/27/15 at 1:50 am to King Joey
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There's nothing naive about his question, or his frustration. LSU AD (and TAF) spend millions of dollars on things other than football, basketball and baseball, and not one penny of that money returns as much for the investment as every dollar of Henry's salary and every penny of facility improvements would have. So if it's just about money, it was a really dumb decision because we can't spend money any better than that outside the big 3. And it would not have taken as much money as ALL the other spending does.
Did you read what you responded to?
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I don't necessarily agree with letting him walk, but you bet your arse that it was about the bottom line
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