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re: Burrow Jumps Up the list of Odds for Heisman
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:48 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:48 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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That's exactly what it was - whether you believe it or not.
Cool brother. You think one thing and I think another. We both have our interpretations of what we think happened. Let's just leave it at that.
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Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:51 pm to SammyTiger
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I think You can argue with Buckeye Jeaux without shitting on Burrow
I don't believe I am "shitting" on Burrow.
This is what I'm saying Sammy. Burrow wasn't in a neck to neck race with Haskins for the Ohio State Starting QB job, so he transferred out because he wasn't going to win that battle.
There's no shame in doing what he did in that case. And I don't blame him for doing such a thing.
Now, if it was a toss up on who was going to be named the starting QB, in my opinion, it's not a good look that Burrow left the Ohio State program.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:57 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s understandable if you have 50% chance of losing a position battle.
Are you saying that every player in college football that's in a position battle should look to transfer to another program to up there odds for a starting position?
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You absolutely don’t take a 50/50 chance when it could effectively end your career.
Okay.
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And if you say “a competitor would” you’re just full of shite.
Okay again.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 3:57 pm to earl keese
A big part of the issue that I think you may be unaware of Earl is that Burrow had already graduated.
I highly doubt it was a “coin flip” as to who would start, despite what our resident tourist says.
Burrow was done with college, more than likely saw that he was not going to start and he wanted to play somewhere so he started looking into transfer options.
Lucky for us, he decided to come here.
I highly doubt it was a “coin flip” as to who would start, despite what our resident tourist says.
Burrow was done with college, more than likely saw that he was not going to start and he wanted to play somewhere so he started looking into transfer options.
Lucky for us, he decided to come here.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:02 pm to earl keese
Direct quote from Meyer during the Spring '18 QB competition:
LINK
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“You wish one would take it,” Meyer said. “And that has not happened.”
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This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:05 pm to la_birdman
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A big part of the issue that I think you may be unaware of Earl is that Burrow had already graduated.
Thanks for that information birdman. I wasn't aware of that.
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I highly doubt it was a “coin flip” as to who would start, despite what our resident tourist says.
I don't think it was a "coin flip" either. But if it was, it's just not a good look to quit if you've got a shot to win the job. In my opinion.
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Burrow was done with college, more than likely saw that he was not going to start so he started looking into transfer options.
And I don't blame him for transferring out of that program once he realized he wasn't going to win the starting job.
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Lucky for us, he decided to come here.
Yes. I agree 100%.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:07 pm to earl keese
1. QB isn’t like most positions. There is 1 staring QB and he doesn’t really rotate (ideally). Short of injury the backup rarely sees meaningful playing time.
2. Burrow was graduating and had a chance to transfer without sitting and 2 years.
3. He was realistically looking at a chance were he loses to Haskins and sits 2 years
In that situation yeah I think a player should transfer.
2. Burrow was graduating and had a chance to transfer without sitting and 2 years.
3. He was realistically looking at a chance were he loses to Haskins and sits 2 years
In that situation yeah I think a player should transfer.
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:07 pm to earl keese
All good, man!
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:12 pm to Goldrush25
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Yep.
And that's completely reasonable.
I don't buy this idea that it was a true toss-up and he left. If you're not quite as good as a first round QB there's absolutely no shame in that.
Yes. There's no shame in going elsewhere once you know that you're going to be playing behind a better athlete.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:14 pm to earl keese
So it was too close to call throughout the Spring (according to the Meyer quotes in the Toledo Blade) Then in the Spring game, Burrow was 15 of 22 for 68% - And, Haskins was 9 of 19 for 47%
Stats link:
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Stats link:
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This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:15 pm to earl keese
There’s no shame in taking a sure thing vs risking your entire career.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:18 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Thought you didn’t care about stats? Where are the ones from fall camp?
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:20 pm to la_birdman
quote:Stats are great as long as you have context.
Thought you didn’t care about stats? Where are the ones from fall camp?
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:21 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Actually forget it. The same question is above. More importantly, why are we discussing who started at another school? We all know who started there.
Haskins is no longer there, Burrow is no longer there.
Move on. Geez
Haskins is no longer there, Burrow is no longer there.
Move on. Geez
This post was edited on 7/24/19 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:22 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
Not to mention Haskins ran a 5.04 40 at the combine
For reference that’s slower than Eli Manning and Payton Manning.
The Dude is slow as frick.
For reference that’s slower than Eli Manning and Payton Manning.
The Dude is slow as frick.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:25 pm to Buckeye Jeaux
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Among the Bashers, it is hard to find the real LSU fans in among all the shills pimping their bullshite agendas of one kind or another.
your lack of self awareness is astounding.
you dont give a shite about lsu. youd be perfectly fine with lsu losing but Burrow putting up big numbers.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:25 pm to SammyTiger
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1. QB isn’t like most positions. There is 1 staring QB and he doesn’t really rotate (ideally). Short of injury the backup rarely sees meaningful playing time.
Thank you. I was well aware of that.
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2. Burrow was graduating and had a chance to transfer without sitting and 2 years.
Thank you again. I was not aware Burrow was graduating.
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3. He was realistically looking at a chance were he loses to Haskins and sits 2 years
I agree. He knew he wasn't going to beat out Haskins and he didn't want to ride the pine so to speak.
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In that situation yeah I think a player should transfer.
I agree. Once the writing was on the wall that he wasn't going to win the job. But what I've been saying is, if there really was a toss up on who was going to win that battle, it looks bad (in my opinion) to quit.
Of course the only one saying that it was a toss up on who was going to be named the starter is buckeye joe.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:26 pm to SammyTiger
quote:I'm saying Burrow had strong indications he wasn't going to be the starter. This is a common belief up in Ohio State land. The only one adamantly opposing this belief (but can't posts any links to disprove the belief) is Buckeye 2nd Cousin.
You are saying that a real competition would have stayed.
Idk how you don’t think that’s bashing.
I'm not following you if you're still claiming I was bashing him. I think you're missing the point. Not sure how to I could make it more clear.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:28 pm to earl keese
My point which you’re ignoring is that even if it’s not a forgone conclusion, you don’t take the risk.
You’re the one saying he should have and transferring is clear evidence he was going to lose the job.
You’re the one saying he should have and transferring is clear evidence he was going to lose the job.
Posted on 7/24/19 at 4:45 pm to SammyTiger
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My point which you’re ignoring is that even if it’s not a forgone conclusion, you don’t take the risk.
You’re the one saying he should have and transferring is clear evidence he was going to lose the job.
I'll say this one last time. I think it's a bad look for someone who is supposedly in a neck and neck race for a starting position to quit and leave the program when you've got a 50% chance of winning that battle.. And again, that's my opinion.
It sounds to me like you think if a quarterback is told by a head coach that he has as much a chance of becoming the starter as any other quarterback on the roster, he should leave the program because the coach won't tell him he'll be named the starting QB.
Is this correct?
And yes, I am saying that Burrow transferred out once he knew he wasn't going to win the starting job.
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