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re: Breaking curfew and setting the record straight
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:12 pm to TheDoc
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:12 pm to TheDoc
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If curfew isn't broken, the players aren't in a fight and everyone is still in good graces with the coaches.
Curfew violations are the old "breaking team rules" and subject to small internal corrections unless it's some extreme repeat of past behavior. Curfew violations are fairly normal behavior, but the whole team being out there is a bit different.
My guess is Miles feels pretty disrespected and will treat this curfew thing as a team problem and not on an individual basis. The fight? If implicated with strong evidence, will have to be dealt with on an individual basis.
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Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:14 pm to mrbroker
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My experience is that when players break rules the whole team suffers
When a player breaks small rules, the player suffers. When multiple players are involved the whole team suffers. A curfew violation is relatively minor if it is an isolated incident.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:14 pm to TheDoc
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The only reason it's smeared on ESPN right now is because posters on this board and other boards have chosen to make this issue take on a life of its own.
Holy shite. No way you are this dumb.
You like playing curfew hypotheticals so let's do that. What if nobody knew of this incident but the players involved and the others at the bar? Nobody filed a complaint, nobody did anything but complain to their friends. Would we be sitting here discussing this right now?
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:15 pm to OH 58D
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Yeah I would want to serve under him too if I was enlisted. No rules so the joes love him. However, not an effective fighting unit.
"joes" don't give a chit bout whether a leader broke curfew or never broke a rule in his life or if he has a lot of rules or no rules.
They care bout one thing and that's whether or not the leader can get me out of any chit the unit encounters.
Rank makes you a leader in name only and you can pat yourself on the back cause you never broke a rule till the cows come home, but it's action between the lines, be it football or combat, that makes one a leader.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:15 pm to Tiger Authority
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The only reason it's smeared on ESPN right now is because posters on this board and other boards have chosen to make this issue take on a life of its own.
No, not really. When your starting QB is implicated in a bar fight two weeks before the opener, it's going to be national news.
This post was edited on 8/21/11 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:21 pm to CharlesLSU
Can I have your autograph Charles?
Posted on 8/21/11 at 12:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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No, not really. When your starting QB is implicated in a bar fight two weeks before the opener, it's going to be national news.
Meh. Maybe on the bottom line.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:06 pm to Flashback
No. No you cant, choad.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:21 pm to CharlesLSU
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:29 pm to RealityTiger
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No I would expect Jefferson and Hebert to stop them on their way out and tell them it's a bad idea, like any "leader" is expected to do
Are you being serious that you really think T bob is a leader? From from it...
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:31 pm to CharlesLSU
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First, most of you have not been involved in a college program, so let me try and clarify for you the level of "disrespect" you keep citing.......minimal.
For the bulk of the players not involved in the fight but missing curfew, it was nothing more than getting a chance to blow off steam after working their asses off. That's it. It has happened on a large scale to every coach at LSU from Charlie to Les. Get over it. Don't blow it out of proportion!
You don't fricking suspend them, you run them and keep the matter in your own house. We called it Breakfast Club and it was fricking awful.
Again, this doesn't apply to those who were fighting, but the remaininge alleged 50 or so who were at the bar.
Keep it in perspective if you've never been on an organized college atheltic prgram.
I don't see any evidence in this post which "sets the record straight." And frankly, unless you are a member of the current program, have spoken to current members of the program about this incident, or witnessed the events in question, you probably have no adequate basis for "setting the record straight." What I do see in this post is a great deal of speculation and surmise, not to mention unseemly preening from a poster who wanted to advertise the fact that he "played college ball," unlike the rest of the unworthy rabble here. But make no mistake, "playing college ball" at some undisclosed program during some undetermined time period years or decades past gives you no real insight into the actions and motivations of the LSU players on a specific night, August 18, 2011. Now, you may be right, perhaps a non-trivial percentage of the football team simulaneously shunned curfew in a coordinated fashion just to "blow off steam," with no disrespect intended. However, you don't know that for a fact any more than the other posters here. You can drop the arrogance.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:32 pm to Navytiger74
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They broke CURFEW! They broke a rule.
you aint never broke someones rules when you was in your 20's navy boy. heck i bet your whole platone are whatevr the navy calls their self, went out and got drunk in a bar when yall wasn't suposed to. o i know why you mad
a cuple of marines got beat up by LSU players, are so they say
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:38 pm to Michael J
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Sure its poor judgement for the leader of the team to be out breaking curfew 2 weeks before the season opener.
Meh. Not a big deal. Players do it all the time. And they do it 2 days before the game not 16.
For years players have been going up to reggies on thursday nights before the games. Name a player and i bet hes broken curfew more than once.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:42 pm to TheDoc
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Another question is: how long has this been going on? The sneaking out after curfew thing.
At least since 2004. Thats all i can attest for. I heard it mentioned it happened under dinardo also.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:43 pm to CharlesLSU
Why was this curfew in place? Regardless of if you think a rule is minor or not it's in place for a reason. What's happening right now is why the curfew is in place. Read Les Miles comments in The Advocate today. He seems emphatic that this won't happen again. I bet he enforces his curfew more strictly from now on. All of this mess with the fight situation could have been avoided if these minor rules would have been followed. These 4 players as well as those who broke curfew learned a serious lesson. These rules are in place not just for show but for their own protection. Nothing good happens at 2AM. Regardless of how special these players think they are (the rules don't apply to them) the LSU football program is bigger than they are.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:44 pm to TIsuGGER
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Breaking curfew is far from a minimal level of disrespect. Do you have children? Let them sneak out of the house at 1:30 am and see how 'minimal' it feels.
While you are at it, kick them out of ur house and school, cus thats what some are suggesting.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:53 pm to TheDoc
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If I'm the starting QB at lsu heading into my senior year, I wouldn't be taking the chances JJ and other seniors were taking. It amazes me that none of the seniors stood up and said "this isn't right, let's not do this" Guess the rules don't really matter though.
How old are you doc? Im only asking cus this is done by a lot of players. I just love how everyone singles out JJ.
Just so yall all know. Matt flynn used to frequent tigerland and break curfew.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:58 pm to COTiger
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I spent a year in Vietnam and would have gladly served under him there. Come to think of it, I would have preferred him to the O-3 that I did work for.
I cant even believe I just read that.
Posted on 8/21/11 at 1:59 pm to Katy Tiger
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had Les not been telling everyone who would listen how much JJ had "grown" and how he is accepting his leadership role.
Really, nobody bought that
Posted on 8/21/11 at 2:03 pm to Navytiger74
quote:The correlation between you (some grunt) in the military breaking the rules, and LSU football players (probably the most closely scrutinized people in all of Baton Rouge) breaking the rules is such a long shot it doesn't even register on the credible meter.
You people and your myths about the military fricking kill me. Maybe we do need broader participation by the general public.
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