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re: Blaming the fans for reacting negatively to poor decision making

Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38378 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:34 pm to
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However, those patterns you refer to are based on mathematical algorithms only and not opinions of people and their ability.


Not when judging people, hiring for positions, etc.

And often, people will turn subjective items into objective measurements and try to evaluate that. That is a fair approach, although certainly open to flaw and interpretation.

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The sample size of O’s past H coaching career is simply not a large enough to use in a predictive argument or formula.


Well, if all you want to only use his career win/loss record, sure. But again, using a single point or determination is misguided.

If you look at O's:

Career W/L
Age
Lack of National Interest
Lack of Skill coordinating either side of the ball
The way he re-uses empty rhetoric - "One team one heartbeat", the Drum
How he presents himself to the media
His lack of program vision
The questionable hires of Canada (process?), DP, Ensminger, etc.
His record at Ole Miss
His only success coming via Interim Sets which are different skill sets
The way he lays blame
The way his hiring was handled

Together, that does not paint a good picture, and does represent both a risky hire and a risky trajectory for LSU. It isn't doom and gloom but given O's history, what would be least surprising: 1) O trending downwards over the next 2 years 2) O competing for a national championship in 2 years ?
Posted by Fat Bastard
2024 NFL pick'em champion
Member since Mar 2009
88331 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:35 pm to
Bwahahahahah. Yep. Playoff bound my arse
Posted by supersaints9
Colleyville,Tx
Member since Dec 2009
18397 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:37 pm to
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Remember sabans loss in his first year at Bama ULM......aren’t they a sunbelt team? Bama didnt give up on him You guys have short memories.....



Well when Orgeron builds a dynasty here and wins 6 national championships then I will eat crow. Until then PISS OFF !
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
87737 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:41 pm to
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Remember sabans loss in his first year at Bama


wow
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:46 pm to
Never post again. This is how fricking delusional you O fanboys are.
Posted by Robbytiger
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2010
1864 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:46 pm to
I’m just pointing out the inconsistencies in the O haters arguments....

Given the time, money, the recruits and added benefit of having the SEC in your own backyard...any coach can build a winning program just like Saban....yeah I think he’s a good coach...but he has tons of help too....
Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:47 pm to
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had a 1st year head coach

So are we discounting his interim stint completely? Many of you 0 pumpers like to resort to it to fluff up his record.

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a 1st year OC

How is that an excuse? Teams change coordinators all the time.

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played over 30 freshmen with 12 starting

Ok? they also played 14 Seniors, 10 Juniors, and 16 Sophomores. That's 40 upperclassmen. You're also including redshirt freshmen in your 30 number.

As a comparison, Bama started 16 Seniors, 15 juniors, and 13 sophomores. That's 44 upperclassmen. Oh, and Bama played 17 true freshmen
Posted by supersaints9
Colleyville,Tx
Member since Dec 2009
18397 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:47 pm to
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Never post again. This is how fricking delusional you O fanboys are.



Exactly
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:49 pm to
Inconsistencies in our argument? You just compared Ed Orgeron to the greatest coach in CFB history. Everyday I think our fan base can’t get any more dumb and everyday, here someone comes to prove me wrong.

Seriously, stop posting.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 1:51 pm
Posted by Open Your Eyes
Member since Nov 2012
10328 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:50 pm to
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I’m just pointing out the inconsistencies in the O haters arguments....


No you're just constantly proving to everyone that you're a moron.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Robbytiger
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2010
1864 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:53 pm to
Saban has been given every tool in the book to succeed....I really don’t think he’s that great of a coach...
Posted by Robbytiger
Denham Springs
Member since Oct 2010
1864 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:55 pm to
With a level playing field—the NFL—he was mediocre
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
25540 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:55 pm to
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Saban has been given every tool in the book to succeed....I really don’t think he’s that great of a coach...
and they say my Coach Jones posts are ludicrous.
Posted by supersaints9
Colleyville,Tx
Member since Dec 2009
18397 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:55 pm to
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I’m just pointing out the inconsistencies in the O haters arguments



You are actually pointing out your ignorance
Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:56 pm to
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Saban has been given every tool in the book to succeed....I really don’t think he’s that great of a coach...

Oh my god
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78139 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:57 pm to
He build our Program from a losing Team to an elite program

He didn’t have the SEC in his back pocket. And LSU wasn’t recruiting itself.

He’s a fricking great coach
Posted by TigerOnTheMountain
Higher Elevation
Member since Oct 2014
41773 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 1:58 pm to
Do you think a great mechanic is great at fixing cars because he has more tools than everyone else? It doesn’t matter how many tools you have if you don’t know how to use them.
Posted by Dave England
Member since Apr 2013
5107 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 2:00 pm to
Guy probably thinks Alabama's coaching staff, recruiting and facilities are in spite of Saban and not because of him.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62217 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 2:01 pm to
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The sample size of O’s past H coaching career is simply not a large enough to use in a predictive argument or formula.


Right, which is why he should have been hired at a lesser program in order to prove that the sample size was wrong.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62217 posts
Posted on 2/14/18 at 2:02 pm to
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Saban has been given every tool in the book to succeed....I really don’t think he’s that great of a coach...



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