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re: BK is coaching his 21st season as a D1 HC without a NC
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:27 pm to TheRouxGuru
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:27 pm to TheRouxGuru
“A loss”
Nah it’s not about 1 loss, it’s about being 4-8 vs ranked opponents. The worst record for an LSU HC in 27 years.
Nah it’s not about 1 loss, it’s about being 4-8 vs ranked opponents. The worst record for an LSU HC in 27 years.
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Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:29 pm to Madking
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Orgeron, he beat 3 top 5 teams in a row in 2019 and 7 top 10 teams that season. Kelly has beaten 7 top 10 teams in 21+ seasons. Think about that
So why isn’t O coaching anymore?
He had a great season. He was awarded appropriately and he completely lost it.
LSU fired him.
Why is he now being held up as a coaching “solution”?
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:30 pm to Madking
Okay I see your point. Kelly is garbage
Who you getting to come in? Give me three names that are possibilities. Be realistic
Who you getting to come in? Give me three names that are possibilities. Be realistic
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:30 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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The odds of any coach winning a national championship are super low.
Damn LSU struck gold 3 times in a row? What are the odds!
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:31 pm to doubleb
We all know why, the question was has any coach done this before. Don’t deflect.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:31 pm to TheRouxGuru
I didn’t say he was getting fired because he isn’t.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:39 pm to Madking
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We all know why, the question was has any coach done this before. Don’t deflect.
The question is a dumb one.
Everyone knows that over time there have been lots of coaches with better records than Kelly. Some coached at LSU.
Moving forward no one knows what BK could do. Look what Orgeron did before 2019. Nothing he’d done previously would lead you to believe he could ever go 15-0.
BK hasn’t set the world on fire at LSU. We seem to be in a rut. That’s true. Nothing leads me to believe he will ever go 15 of 16 and 0.
But he could.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:44 pm to doubleb
The only reason I brought O up is because the poster said he didn’t know of any coach who’d beaten 2-3 very good to elite teams in a row and off the top of my head, without having to look it up I knew O did.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:45 pm to Madking
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They beat 2 top 25 teams in a row and 3 in 4 weeks (#8, #12 and #22) before we whipped em.
Here is their schedule:
4-8 Houston
5-7 South Dakota
4-8 UCLA
4-8 Texas Tech
3-9 Kansas
8-5 Texas
5-7 West Virginia
Loss to 8-5 Kansas State
7-6 Iowa State
11-3 Baylor
5-7 TCU
8-5 Oklahoma State
Conference Championship vs 11-3 Baylor
Good on them for beating Baylor twice but they were also vastly more talented, per the 2019 Team Talent Composite, Oklahoma was #8 and Baylor was #35.
A good team but definitely not elite, as LSU proved.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 9:48 pm to SidewalkTiger
Well I said very good to elite because in the format if you’re facing a low seed that’s probably a good team so you have to beat those plus the elites to win it all.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:00 pm to Madking
In that case, I would say he's definitely capable, he beat top 10 teams back to back in 2022.
Ole Miss obviously fell off but they were #7 when he beat them.
Ole Miss obviously fell off but they were #7 when he beat them.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:06 pm to SidewalkTiger
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2022
It’s been two years since he’s done it.
He got burned by a running QB two weeks ago, had a week to prepare for another one (who he faced last year) and still had his team beyond unprepared.
I’m not saying he needs to be fired but his “preparation” methods leave a lot to be desired.
Hanagriff summed it up perfectly when he said “I’ve been covering these games for decades and I’ve never seen an LSU team look that unprepared. If you would’ve told me they hadn’t practiced in the last two weeks, I would’ve believed you.”
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:11 pm to la_birdman
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He got burned by a running QB two weeks ago, had a week to prepare for another one (who he faced last year) and still had his team beyond unprepared.
I’m not saying he needs to be fired but his “preparation” methods leave a lot to be desired.
Hanagriff summed it up perfectly when he said “I’ve been covering these games for decades and I’ve never seen an LSU team look that unprepared. If you would’ve told me they hadn’t practiced in the last two weeks, I would’ve believed you.”
It's hard for me to blame coaching and preparation when you have Gilbert missing a tackle while Burns watches and Ryan is chasing.
I blame the coaches for getting us into this mess with talent acquisition but no amount of preparation is going to suddenly make that group suddenly able to make instictive reads and sound tackles. They've had multiple coaches and never get any better.
Kelly's biggest mis-step was his intial defensive hires and LSU is bearing the fruit of that.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:13 pm to SidewalkTiger
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It's hard for me to blame coaching
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I blame the coaches for getting us into this mess with talent
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:18 pm to HangmanPage1
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There was never anything that qualified Kelly to get a 100 mil guaranteed contract. Nothing in his resume truly warranted it.
Pick someone from this list.
Rank Coach College Total Compensation
1 Kirby Smart Georgia $13 million
2 Dabo Swinney Clemson $11.5 million
3 Lincoln Riley USC $11 million
4 Steve Sarkisian Texas $10.3 million
5 Kalen DeBoer Alabama $10 million
6 Mike Norvell Florida State $9.8 million
T-7 Brian Kelly LSU $9.5 million
T-7 Ryan Day Ohio State $9.5 million
T-9 Lane Kiffin Ole Miss $9 million
T-9 Josh Heupel Tennessee $9 million
T-9 Mark Stoops Kentucky $9 million
12 James Franklin Penn State $8.5 million
13 Brent Venables Oklahoma $8.2 million
14 Mario Cristobal Miami $8 million
15 Mike Gundy Oklahoma State $7.75 million
And don't forget Mel Tucker signed a 10-year, $95 million contract extension in the midst of the 2021 football season.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:20 pm to la_birdman
I blame Kelly for failing at his initial defensive hires, I blame him for firing people that we ended up bringing back. These issues directly led to failures in recruiting and development on the defensive of the ball. We're seeing the results of what didn't happen in 2022 and 2023 now.
I don't really believe these failures are due to overwhelming failures in gameday coaching preparation. Obviously, you just beat sometimes, but this is considered an elite defensive staff within CFB.
We have two possibilities here:
Either the players we have can't get the job done
Or
Baker, Peoples, Davis, and Raymond have suddenly forgot how to coach basic defensive football
It's hard to even pretend the latter is true so it has to be the former.
I don't really believe these failures are due to overwhelming failures in gameday coaching preparation. Obviously, you just beat sometimes, but this is considered an elite defensive staff within CFB.
We have two possibilities here:
Either the players we have can't get the job done
Or
Baker, Peoples, Davis, and Raymond have suddenly forgot how to coach basic defensive football
It's hard to even pretend the latter is true so it has to be the former.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:22 pm to SidewalkTiger
This is how you end up with contradictory statements. It’s bound to happen when you just invent your own standards and only apply them for a specific point based on nothing but bias.
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:30 pm to Madking
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This is how you end up with contradictory statements. It’s bound to happen when you just invent your own standards and only apply them for a specific point based on nothing but bias.
I will defer to your expertise on that matter
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:34 pm to SidewalkTiger
I just use the same standard 99.99% of the rest of the world uses. No expertise or mental gymnastics needed.
This post was edited on 11/13/24 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 11/13/24 at 10:35 pm to CalRipkenJr
There’s only one problem with this:
How many years has he been a head coach at a university where he could win a national championship? 3
It is a number far less than what you have come up with, depending on whether you think it is possible to win a national championship at Notre Dame in 2024. I’m not sure it is.
How many years has he been a head coach at a university where he could win a national championship? 3
It is a number far less than what you have come up with, depending on whether you think it is possible to win a national championship at Notre Dame in 2024. I’m not sure it is.
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