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Baseball Strength & Conditioning
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:38 am
After waking up with the disappointment of the season ending, I started to think about the mistakes made throughout the year by coaches and players alike. Of course one of the first thoughts was Hal Hughes. Why did he play, why couldn't he hit, why does he still look like a child 2 years into the program, and why did we wait until game 2 of the Super Regional to realize he needed to be replaced.
My next question is why to replace him with Gio and put him at the 2 spot in the lineup. Thinking about Gio, I look at a kid who can't fill out a uniform. He must be 160lbs soaking wet even though he's listed at 172.
So that brings me to my question. What is the baseball team doing from a strength and conditioning standpoint to develop these kids as athletes? We frequently see what football is doing in the offseason and we saw a dramatic change with Will Wade at the helm with the basketball team. The basketball team transformed in one summer for a lot of those guys.
Yet, in baseball our players look the same in year 1 and in year 4. Duplantis, Watson, Hughes, Smith, Hilliard, Reid to name a few: they all have not changed physically in their time as Tigers. At least to me it appears they haven't.
Does anyone have knowledge as to what this team does in the offseason other than send their kids to play more summer ball? Do other programs do things differently? And is this perceived lack of strength & conditioning part of the injury issues?
My next question is why to replace him with Gio and put him at the 2 spot in the lineup. Thinking about Gio, I look at a kid who can't fill out a uniform. He must be 160lbs soaking wet even though he's listed at 172.
So that brings me to my question. What is the baseball team doing from a strength and conditioning standpoint to develop these kids as athletes? We frequently see what football is doing in the offseason and we saw a dramatic change with Will Wade at the helm with the basketball team. The basketball team transformed in one summer for a lot of those guys.
Yet, in baseball our players look the same in year 1 and in year 4. Duplantis, Watson, Hughes, Smith, Hilliard, Reid to name a few: they all have not changed physically in their time as Tigers. At least to me it appears they haven't.
Does anyone have knowledge as to what this team does in the offseason other than send their kids to play more summer ball? Do other programs do things differently? And is this perceived lack of strength & conditioning part of the injury issues?
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Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:40 am to gotiger
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Yet, in baseball our players look the same in year 1 and in year 4. Duplantis, Watson, Hughes, Smith, Hilliard, Reid to name a few: they all have not changed physically in their time as Tigers. At least to me it appears they haven't.
How many of these guys do you think have been on campus for 4 years?
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:41 am to gotiger
:dead horse:
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:44 am to deaux
Duplantis, Watson, Smith have been on campus for 3 years. Regardless if that is 3 or 4, that is plenty of time to develop a player more physically.
And this is not beating a dead horse. A dead horse conversation would be simply about the arm injuries. I'm talking about these guys not maturing physically the same way our athletes in other sports are. Something is different about the way we train our baseball players. Maybe we don't have the same training goals for them. Maybe Maineri wants them to stay smaller so they can keep their speed. IDK what is going on, but clearly we are missing the boat somewhere and I'm just proposing a topic of discussion. Surely someone on this board has some knowledge to how our baseball players train, not just our pitchers.
And this is not beating a dead horse. A dead horse conversation would be simply about the arm injuries. I'm talking about these guys not maturing physically the same way our athletes in other sports are. Something is different about the way we train our baseball players. Maybe we don't have the same training goals for them. Maybe Maineri wants them to stay smaller so they can keep their speed. IDK what is going on, but clearly we are missing the boat somewhere and I'm just proposing a topic of discussion. Surely someone on this board has some knowledge to how our baseball players train, not just our pitchers.
This post was edited on 6/10/19 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:47 am to gotiger
How many homeruns did duplantis hit this year? You don’t have to be a middle linebacker to play baseball.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:51 am to gotiger
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Baseball Strength
Posted on 6/10/19 at 11:59 am to gotiger
It is absolutely a dead horse. People have brought up player size at least once a day for years now. It’s the style of player he chooses. Like it or not. Sure, I’d prefer to have more of the bigger guys on the team but it is what it is.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:18 pm to gotiger
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Duplantis, Watson, Smith have been on campus for 3 years. Regardless if that is 3 or 4, that is plenty of time to develop a player more physically.
Are you suggesting that since these kids have been on campus so long that they should be SWOLT up and YOKED? Baseball is not a pure strength sport ... its all about technique and consistency. Look and the size difference between Mendoza and Duplantis you're looking at about 6 inches and 50 lbs ...yet Mendoza has only hit 4 more HRs.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:23 pm to emt007
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Are you suggesting that since these kids have been on campus so long that they should be SWOLT up and YOKED?
I'm not suggesting that we should be full of Mike Trouts. But, I am suggesting that over a 3-4 year period, our players should be more developed physically and athletically. There is no reason that we shouldn't expect Gio to gain 20-30lbs of muscle over a 3-4 year period at LSU. He would turn into a more complete player for LSU and as a prospect at the next level if he matured physically.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:27 pm to gotiger
Most baseball players are big in size. They are few and far between. Easy answer to why is that they play their games outside year round in college, during the hottest parts of the year. The heat, added in with the exercise and cardio work they do, makes it easier to lose weight than gain weight, regardless of the player.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:30 pm to gotiger
You will get downvoted, but strength and conditioning are lacking. It’s unacceptable to have multiple guys weigh 160-170 pounds. Kids need to get stronger.
I said last week FSU looked bigger and stronger than LSU and they were, and they beat us.
I said last week FSU looked bigger and stronger than LSU and they were, and they beat us.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:31 pm to gotiger
It's recruiting. Like other posters have said, its intentional.
Do you think other teams are getting guys like Hughes on campus and turning them into lumberjacks?
You aren't going to turn a body type like that into a masher no matter what your S&C program looks like
Do you think other teams are getting guys like Hughes on campus and turning them into lumberjacks?
You aren't going to turn a body type like that into a masher no matter what your S&C program looks like
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:36 pm to GoldenAge
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The heat, added in with the exercise and cardio work they do, makes it easier to lose weight than gain weight, regardless of the player.
Poor arse excuse here. Do football players not work in the heat and do cardio? I'm pretty sure the basketball team does lots of outdoor workouts.
There is such a thing as an "offseason" workout program. That program should be spent indoors working on strength, agility, power(core and legs), periscapular training, hitting mechanics in a cage, and a multitude of other components that don't require cardio or excessive heat conditions. Plenty of things can be done outside of the heat and I'm not certain summer ball is the way to go for some of these guys, especially the pitchers.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 12:58 pm to gotiger
I’ve trained college athletes in the past, from football, baseball, to basketball and they all did extremely well and you could see the physical results from one summer to the next. Here, there’s literally no difference and it boggles my mind considering that we’re a top program and should have access to only the best of everything.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 3:30 pm to BeachDude022
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I’ve trained college athletes in the past, from football, baseball, to basketball and they all did extremely well and you could see the physical results from one summer to the next. Here, there’s literally no difference and it boggles my mind considering that we’re a top program and should have access to only the best of everything.
This is my point. I'm not asking about why they are so small when they get here. I'm trying to figure out why they are 160lbs when they get here and 160lbs when they leave. It doesn't take elite trainers or staff to make that happen. And we supposedly have that plus some of the best facilities in the country.
Posted on 6/10/19 at 4:30 pm to gotiger
It’s discipline. Simply discipline. I dont care if we have a team full of ectomorphs, it’s really not hard to figure out how to gain weight. I dont care about metabolism and workload, it is not difficult figure out how to gain weight and strength. Discipline means getting the calories in and getting your lifting in. They should have trainers on staff that can calculate every athlete’s maintenance cal number, add cals to the to create a surplus and that in conjunction with lifting hard will always equal gaining mass. If they arent gaining mass and strength in the 2-3 years on campus then they arent disciplined enough and clearly arent being held accountable by the staff and are incapable of holding themselves accountable to eating enough.
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