re: Average SEC Head Coach's Buyout - $16,500,000

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Yes. CFB coaches salaries have been inflated and keep inflating.

But that’s across the board. In 10 years Purdue may be spending 5 million on assistants but by then Ohio a state and LSU and Clemson and the like will be spending 10 million.

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So if you acknowledge this, why do you in the same vein have such an issue with Orgeron being paid an average rate of pay for a coach in this conference? Should be be paid less than Chad Morris, Will Muschamp, or Jeremy Pruitt? Have those three proven anything either? Why do I keep seeing comparisons with Les Miles' last contract that was signed in the 2012 offseason? Coaching salaries, across the board, have risen quite a bit since Les signed that contract. And if we have the money and ability to pay more, why should any really care what Orgeron is paid?

right because they expect to have that kind of winning continue because South Carolina football has such a rich tradition of...::checks notes::...playing Sandstorm at its stadium a mile away from campus..

Point being, stop using this as some sort of baseline. and please spare me the Butch Jones example and whatever else you used previously.

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So if you acknowledge this, why do you in the same vein have such an issue with Orgeron being paid an average rate of pay for a coach in this conference? Should be be paid less than Chad Morris, Will Muschamp, or Jeremy Pruitt? Have those three proven anything either? Why do I keep seeing comparisons with Les Miles' last contract that was signed in the 2012 offseason? Coaching salaries, across the board, have risen quite a bit since Les signed that contract. And if we have the money and ability to pay more, why should any really care what Orgeron is paid?

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Honestly I’m not against a raise for performance. I do Think he’s worth at least 4 mill at this point.

But, we have him under contract for 3.5 mill. It’s like having a franchise QB on a rookie contract. You take advantage of it while you can, and I dont Think he’s at the point where we need to extend his contract or lose him.

And again, we shouldn’t be using Muschamp’s insane deal or Arkansas overpaying a shitty coach as a guideline for anything.

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why should any really care what Orgeron is paid?

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because he was sold as being an inexpensive replacement to the guy fans felt like was being paid too much.

so if you then pay him what the guy who was getting paid too much for the same results, why did you fire the guy who was getting paid too much?

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But, we have him under contract for 3.5 mill. It’s like having a franchise QB on a rookie contract. You take advantage of it while you can, and I dont Think he’s at the point where we need to extend his contract or lose him.

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How often do you see NFL GMs take that risk with QBs? Having Ed Orgeron at 3.5MM the past two years was a bargain. Hell, if he gets a raise to 4 million this year, he'd still be a bargain, comparatively speaking, if he only continues to win 10 games a year. LSU gave Orgeron a bottom-barrel contract when he was signed so if he bottomed out quickly, we could get rid of him. Giving him a raise to 4 million is basically just saying, "ok, you've proven you can at least sustain the program's success so we'll pay you at an average rate of pay for an SEC HC."

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I do Think he’s worth at least 4 mill at this point.

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So if you think he's worth 4 million, why does it matter if we pay him that much? Because we aren't required to? We have more than enough money to do it, so I just don't see why so many are up in arms about it. Even if raised to 4 million, we're still paying him and his staff less than around half of the conference are paying theirs.

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facts like "South Carolina extended Muschamp so therefore LSU must extend Ed Orgeron because if LSU fails to extend Orgeron then it gives the appearance of instability?"

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The fact was Muschamp was given a raise despite not meeting the expectations of what his predecessor set. He was given a raise and an extension following a 7-6 season and a 22-17 record over 3 seasons. He is paid substantially more than Orgeron. Yes those are facts "sweetie."

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How often do you see NFL GMs take that risk with QBs? Having Ed Orgeron at 3.5MM the past two years was a bargain. Hell, if he gets a raise to 4 million this year, he'd still be a bargain, comparatively speaking, if he only continues to win 10 games a year. LSU gave Orgeron a bottom-barrel contract when he was signed so if he bottomed out quickly, we could get rid of him. Giving him a raise to 4 million is basically just saying, "ok, you've proven you can at least sustain the program's success so we'll pay you at an average rate of pay for an SEC HC."

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1. At this point it’s not a risk. No hint that it’s a risk. I am Fully onboard extending him after next season with a big raise he goes out and has a great year. 2 top 10 finishes in a row and he’s worth way more than 4 mill. If he wins the SEC we will be right back here extending his contract with a raise.

2. They gave him that deal because he was a hiiiiiigh risk hire, with a track record of failure, and limitations that required hiring of elite coordinators on both sides of the ball.

The deal we got last year was a 3.5 Million dollar HC with a 1.7 Million dollar OC and a 1.8 million dollar DC. Anyone else pay 3.5 for their coordinators?

We paid 3.3 last year NOT including the 1.7 million dollar buyout we paid Canada.

3. His buyout when we hired him was 12/17.5 that’s not exactly cheap to get rid of, and yeah since then every SEC school had followed suit and gone with redicously high buyouts.

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So if you think he's worth 4 million, why does it matter if we pay him that much? Because we aren't required to? We have more than enough money to do it, so I just don't see why so many are up in arms about it. Even if raised to 4 million, we're still paying him and his staff less than around half of the conference are paying theirs

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I’ve had 50 dollars meals not worth a shite. And I’ve paid 5 bucks for a Big Mac that was damn good.

It’s atill a terrible idea to pay 50 dollars for a Big Mac.

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1. At this point it’s not a risk. No hint that it’s a risk. I am Fully onboard extending him after next season with a big raise he goes out and has a great year. 2 top 10 finishes in a row and he’s worth way more than 4 mill. If he wins the SEC we will be right back here extending his contract with a raise.

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Orgeron's buyout decreases to like 1-2 million after next year. Why on earth would you want to piss off the head coach of your football team and make him feel unappreciated and unwanted? Because the fans think he needs another year to earn it? He has basically no safety net, at all, if he's not given an extension and raise this year. So let's take his salary this year and his 2 million buyout next year. That's a total of 5.5 million dollars. I do believe Orgeron could get contract guarantees that exceed 5.5 million somewhere else. And the guarantees are what are really important to these coaches, and NFL players since you brought it up. That's why NFL players hold out because they have shown they're worth more than their rookie salaries.

Also, I'd like you to consider this. Let's say LSU told Orgeron they aren't giving him any more money or years this year. He gets pissed, coaches the season because he has to, but shops around. Let's also say he has another good season next year. How much more do you think LSU would have to pay to keep him next year in that scenario? He would have proven himself capable, other programs would definitely draw more interest in him, and he and Sexton would leverage the absolute shite out of LSU to keep him. You want to talk about hemorrhaging money because you went cheap for no reason.

LSU has more than enough money to pay Orgeron 4 million/year. People need to stop evaluating his contract as if they are personally paying it.

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The BUYOUT is the problem, IMO.

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How exactly is it a problem? The buyout right now is 5.2 million. That is a very small buyout. Buyouts decrease with the life of the contract. So we know he will be coaching LSU in 2019 and for all intents and purposes 2020 as well. If the new buyout is back down to around 5.2 million after 2020 season, what exactly has LSU sacrificed? Buyouts only become relevant if you fire your coach and the buyout clause becomes enforceable. Otherwise, they are just numbers on a piece of paper.