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re: Are coaches telling players to "fake" injuries?
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:49 am to TortiousTiger
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:49 am to TortiousTiger
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RULE: you either use a timeout for an injury or the player cannot come back in for a quarter and the time extends to the next game if need be. Problem solved.
too extreme ... but on the right track...
I would say 3 plays. (which means one 1st down series)
sometimes. i.e. ankle, it will be OK after you walk on it for a few, yet it was a valid injury
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Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:50 am to liquid rabbit
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How are the refs supposed to decide whether a player is actually hurt or is faking it? Ask him if he's really hurt? Just look at him writhing in pain and decide he's not hurt?
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There's no way to create a rule to cover this.
if the player goes down, he should not be allowed to return during that series or maybe even that quarter. if he comes back and goes down again increase the ammount of time he must stay out. if its fake this trend will slow or teams will get more creative.
I know you cannot legislate morality, but you can make more difficult to scheme using this method.
This post was edited on 9/26/11 at 10:52 am
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:56 am to lctiger
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I would instruct my player, if you are dinged, go down, don't limp off.
This.
It looked to be the case with Brockers, at least. On the replay, you can see that he got his legs rolled. So, instead of trying to limp off the field, he waited for the trainers. As far as I'm concerned, I don't see anything wrong with that.
I didn't see Downs' injury.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:56 am to biscuitbuster
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There are accusations that LSU defensive players are taking dives to slow the pace of the offense. Is this far fetched considering what the New York Giants were doing in week 2?
ask T Bob
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:58 am to Tommy Patel
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I know you cannot legislate morality, but you can make more difficult to scheme using this method.
I agree. This is not soccer.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:59 am to liquid rabbit
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So cramping is one of the most common "injuries." We penalize a team for a cramped-up player by making him sit out a quarter? Seems rather extreme.
if they are cramping, they can hobble off the field or sit out a quarter.
pretty simple IMO.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 10:59 am to Oyster
The thing is in a hurry up, they are going to stay down for cramps and tweaks they would normally just sub out a play or two for. But since its fast paced, you don't have that luxury and have to get out of the game somehow.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:00 am to Tommy Patel
As a non athlete - there have been plenty of times when I have stubbed a toe or smashed a finger and the pain is unbearable for a few minutes. I am jumping and screaming and then POOF it is gone just like that.
IF that can happen to a normal person - imagine an athlete who is expecting far more from his body (even though he is better conditioned) - it is highly likely that at some point there is going to be a break.
Does it mean he has to be in pain forever - NO. Unlike the normal person even that amount of pain is dispersed by his conditioned body in a few minutes - hence it is asinine to say that no hurt can be there for just a few minutes.
BTW I searched for the plays on ESPN3 and noticed
1. Brockers who was hurt TWICE and I think one of their OL fell on him once.
2. Downs - didn't see him much after that. In fact he didn't return for that series I think.
3. Loston - you all saw what happened.
4. OL injuries - yeah we were sabotaging Crocodile Puntee because it was unfair to WVU.
IF that can happen to a normal person - imagine an athlete who is expecting far more from his body (even though he is better conditioned) - it is highly likely that at some point there is going to be a break.
Does it mean he has to be in pain forever - NO. Unlike the normal person even that amount of pain is dispersed by his conditioned body in a few minutes - hence it is asinine to say that no hurt can be there for just a few minutes.
BTW I searched for the plays on ESPN3 and noticed
1. Brockers who was hurt TWICE and I think one of their OL fell on him once.
2. Downs - didn't see him much after that. In fact he didn't return for that series I think.
3. Loston - you all saw what happened.
4. OL injuries - yeah we were sabotaging Crocodile Puntee because it was unfair to WVU.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:27 am to lctiger
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I would instruct my player, if you are dinged, go down, don't limp off.
I agree as well. People fail to realize that the injuries are a product of the hurry up offense. Against a normal offense a player may have 20 seconds to recover from an injury. In the hurry up, you only have 3-4 seconds. If you aren't able to perform in the next play, then you should stay down.
Heck, its taken me more than 3 or 4 seconds to figure out whether or not I was injured after a rough play... and that was not D-1 Football.
Beyond that, if you get one or two extra "faked" injuries per game and somehow that totally disrupts your offense, then you have bigger problems.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:34 am to biscuitbuster
I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone in these threads, but Matt flynn did it against Alabama in 07 cause of a broken chinstrap. Saw it was broke and grabbed his knee and fell to the ground. Danielson caught it on the replay.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:45 am to trux83LSU
Price you pay for running that type of offense.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:58 am to TheTigerZone
I'm guessing a lot of fans here haven't played football beyond the junior level. Which is okay.
If you've never been coached to take a dive on defense to stop momentum, then your coach hasn't been doing his job.
It sucks, but it is a part of the game. WVU's offense should be able to come back out and pick up where they left off... no excuses.
If you've never been coached to take a dive on defense to stop momentum, then your coach hasn't been doing his job.
It sucks, but it is a part of the game. WVU's offense should be able to come back out and pick up where they left off... no excuses.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 11:59 am to mmcgrath
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Beyond that, if you get one or two extra "faked" injuries per game and somehow that totally disrupts your offense, then you have bigger problems.
Exactly! If you are good enough, then it shouldn't matter either way. I'm pretty sick of these pussy fans booing injured players, regardless if they are faking or not.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:05 pm to biscuitbuster
If ya aint cheatin' ya aint tryin'
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:11 pm to biscuitbuster
A friend of mine played for Miles until 2008. His philosophy was that if you were hurt and laid on the ground you better be badly injured. If you can walk off the field at all you better try.
I asked him about this instance and he said, well this is different. The coaches might signal to slow the pace of the game by laying on a player or getting injured. You'll usually see linemen do it since they are more likely to get dinged anyway and are more easily replaced.
I think it's a mixture of actual injuries and slowing the game. I watched a player get up last week only to have another one push him back down. It happens. It's legal. Get over it.
I asked him about this instance and he said, well this is different. The coaches might signal to slow the pace of the game by laying on a player or getting injured. You'll usually see linemen do it since they are more likely to get dinged anyway and are more easily replaced.
I think it's a mixture of actual injuries and slowing the game. I watched a player get up last week only to have another one push him back down. It happens. It's legal. Get over it.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:13 pm to LSU_Lou
If it slows down the hurry up offense, then it is a smart strategical move. It's "kill or be killed" out there. If we ran the hurry up offense, teams would br doing it against us.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:43 pm to trux83LSU
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I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone in these threads, but Matt flynn did it against Alabama in 07 cause of a broken chinstrap. Saw it was broke and grabbed his knee and fell to the ground. Danielson caught it on the replay.
the clock can also stop for an equipment problem.
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:45 pm to biscuitbuster
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There are accusations that LSU defensive players are taking dives to slow the pace of the offense.
Biscuitbuster
name says it all
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:50 pm to biscuitbuster
If some were faking, some were legitimate injuries. Some of the loudest booing was when T-Bob went down - right before a punt to West Virginia. Faking then would have been pointless, and there's been updates of his health since then as being "day-to-day".
Posted on 9/26/11 at 12:53 pm to Jet12
yes
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