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re: All the talk surrounding O being fired is very concerning to me..
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:03 pm to Sport Wood
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:03 pm to Sport Wood
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I say this because O is definitely the type of person who would do everything in his power to bring everyone down with him.
Lol, okay!!! You seem like the type of person that is a huge vag!!!
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:04 pm
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Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:13 pm to Sport Wood
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Sport Wood
Wow. You are fantastically stupid.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:18 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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We need better players. That’s on me
That’s right up there with Spurrier telling Wuerfel, “Danny it’s not your fault, it’s my fault for putting you in...”
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:19 pm to Tigerpride18
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There was absolutely a good reason to want the switch to a 4-3
lol
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:22 pm to Tigerpride18
Man, I'm all for making a change when needed,but most of yall went from trusting him to not trusting him ,then to wanting him fired ,in just a few games.
He got lucky last year,that's fair.but let's not forget what hes done since he got here. I'm talking how he turned the season around as an interim coach at lsu and at usc.
The next year ,well we were running the matt Canada system . But,I think o expected it to change to fit with the players we had. Once he realized that we weren't gonna run the spread with canada,he got rid of him.
Just think about that season (hos first year after he was hired full time) in general. That was the year we lost to troy .We can all agree , that year was probably the least talented roster of starters and backups that lsu has had,in a long time .
He absolutely helped turn around that season,we were 1-2 and then went on a run beating auburn after being down a ton in the first half ,then he beat florida . (I think it was his interim year that guice went the wrong way against them) he weant on a run where bama was our only regular season loss after starting 1-2 . Under les we would have crumbled before and after bama that year. Yall know that , almost for sure .he never had teams that would just not show up ,till this year . We used to always lose games following bama.
Look at the next season which was 2018. He didnt like the offense Canada ran and he just hired him because he was the hottest name. That's his fault for not knowing how gimicky and different from what he wanted Canada's offense was.
He was comfortable with ensminger that year cuz he was gonna install a new spread offense. Brady came in and installed the saints offense cuz o always knew that the regular pro style type spread wasnt enough.
Anyway ,he goes and gets burrow cuz hes always wanting to upgrade. It was a good move ,obviously. That year we won 10 games for the first time in a handful of years. We won a ny6
bowl that year and we were a bad call away form having a two loss season .
The positive thing about o is That,he still wasnt satisfied because of 29 to 0 ..he knew that he was gonna have to get even more of a modern offense to beat bama. He sent ensminger to different places to learn about rpos and other things that we needed to add or change. One of those classes he sat through had joe brady teaching . O wanted to bring him in and ensminger would have been fired if he said no to a new pgc. No matter what it took ,coach o was gonna keep trying to find a way to get our offense to compete with other elite teams. He didnt waste any time with canada or just running an outdated version of the spread like ensminger ran in 2018-2019.he knew what he wanted and found a way to get that offense installed. If we kept les nothing would change.
Just trying to remind people that o deserves some credit for things other then joe burrow and joe brady and what they did for us. The stuff he did led us to this.
Pointing all that out ,doesnt change the fact that he needs to be fired now if we start to lose a ton of players or commits .also if he covered up anything, then that's the perfect time to do it.
But, if this is as bad as the optics get, and he wins one game of the last two, and is cleared on the coverup stuff, then fires pelini ,plus someone on the offense side of coaching ,then I think we give him one more year.
Just want to say that 2019 isnt his only achievement at lsu
He got lucky last year,that's fair.but let's not forget what hes done since he got here. I'm talking how he turned the season around as an interim coach at lsu and at usc.
The next year ,well we were running the matt Canada system . But,I think o expected it to change to fit with the players we had. Once he realized that we weren't gonna run the spread with canada,he got rid of him.
Just think about that season (hos first year after he was hired full time) in general. That was the year we lost to troy .We can all agree , that year was probably the least talented roster of starters and backups that lsu has had,in a long time .
He absolutely helped turn around that season,we were 1-2 and then went on a run beating auburn after being down a ton in the first half ,then he beat florida . (I think it was his interim year that guice went the wrong way against them) he weant on a run where bama was our only regular season loss after starting 1-2 . Under les we would have crumbled before and after bama that year. Yall know that , almost for sure .he never had teams that would just not show up ,till this year . We used to always lose games following bama.
Look at the next season which was 2018. He didnt like the offense Canada ran and he just hired him because he was the hottest name. That's his fault for not knowing how gimicky and different from what he wanted Canada's offense was.
He was comfortable with ensminger that year cuz he was gonna install a new spread offense. Brady came in and installed the saints offense cuz o always knew that the regular pro style type spread wasnt enough.
Anyway ,he goes and gets burrow cuz hes always wanting to upgrade. It was a good move ,obviously. That year we won 10 games for the first time in a handful of years. We won a ny6
bowl that year and we were a bad call away form having a two loss season .
The positive thing about o is That,he still wasnt satisfied because of 29 to 0 ..he knew that he was gonna have to get even more of a modern offense to beat bama. He sent ensminger to different places to learn about rpos and other things that we needed to add or change. One of those classes he sat through had joe brady teaching . O wanted to bring him in and ensminger would have been fired if he said no to a new pgc. No matter what it took ,coach o was gonna keep trying to find a way to get our offense to compete with other elite teams. He didnt waste any time with canada or just running an outdated version of the spread like ensminger ran in 2018-2019.he knew what he wanted and found a way to get that offense installed. If we kept les nothing would change.
Just trying to remind people that o deserves some credit for things other then joe burrow and joe brady and what they did for us. The stuff he did led us to this.
Pointing all that out ,doesnt change the fact that he needs to be fired now if we start to lose a ton of players or commits .also if he covered up anything, then that's the perfect time to do it.
But, if this is as bad as the optics get, and he wins one game of the last two, and is cleared on the coverup stuff, then fires pelini ,plus someone on the offense side of coaching ,then I think we give him one more year.
Just want to say that 2019 isnt his only achievement at lsu
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:24 pm to Tigerpride18
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There was absolutely a good reason to want the switch to a 4-3 which naturally creates more pressure on the qb ,sacks,and turnovers
What.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:26 pm to Tigerpride18
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He was comfortable with ensminger that year cuz he was gonna install a new spread offense. Brady came in and installed the saints offense cuz o always knew that the regular pro style type spread wasnt enough.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:28 pm to Tigerboy55
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He reffered throwing people under the bus he has yet to do that in his press conferences
Just because he doesn’t use names doesn’t mean he’s not throwing people under the bus. Well, to most people.. that know how to connect dots. Lol
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:29 pm to Walnut
I believe the 4-3 can be just as effective ,if not more,then the 3-4.
Theres a reason why the 4-3 is so much more popular in college football, then the 3-4 is.
It creates more sacks and interceptions, usually. Hell ,we get just as much ,if not more,pressure on the qb this year then last .without chaisson off the edge .
The 4-3 is more of an attack style of defense. Maybe it's just the players not fitting in the system based on what style d that we recruited players to run, or its pelini.
Either way, it's not the 4-3s fault
Theres a reason why the 4-3 is so much more popular in college football, then the 3-4 is.
It creates more sacks and interceptions, usually. Hell ,we get just as much ,if not more,pressure on the qb this year then last .without chaisson off the edge .
The 4-3 is more of an attack style of defense. Maybe it's just the players not fitting in the system based on what style d that we recruited players to run, or its pelini.
Either way, it's not the 4-3s fault
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:33 pm to thadcastle
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“ I didn’t think our defense was good last year” a defense that won a National championship and had Clemson struggling to move the ball
A pretty concerning statement.
I think Coach O didn't agree with Aranda's philosophy. It isn't surprising, considering he was a Miles hire.
There was only so much we could see from the outside, but Aranda seemed very experimental when he knew that he could give up points. But when it was time to buckle down, defense was dominant. I really liked Aranda. When I was 18-19-20 I would have been so glad that we got an old school guy in Pelini back to implement a hard-nosed defense. After watching the sport, though, and being removed from the playing field, I am much more a fan of the wait and see approach, which is what it seemed like Aranda's defense were based around.
It's also interesting that it seems like the players feel as though they are being misled. Everyone knows that O is a great recruiter, but is there a switch that flips when he goes from world class recruiter to motivating head coach? Because the guy that coaches them up has to be slightly similar, at least on a one-to-one level, as the guy that gets them through the door.
We aren't going to be dominant all the time, I think everyone is okay with that. But I do expect to be competitive. If this were a normal season we'd have a few more games and come away .500. That isn't acceptable. Given the circumstances, however, I think O gets another off-season. 2019 wasn't just a national title season, it was one of the greatest of all-time. And at the very least I think he gets a mulligan. There were a few people who knew that we were going to be very good in 2019, but I would imagine the number of people who saw us being the greatest team in college football history is close to 0. Who knows what he will do if his back gets pressed against the wall again.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:37 pm to deaux
I'm referring to the 2018 season. He said he felt better about running the spread that ensminger wanted to run then the offense Canada ran.
I think he realized even a basic spread offense wasnt enough to beat bama,so that's when he started looking for ensmingers replacement or a pgc like brady to pair with ensminger.
Either way,coach o wasnt gonna go into last year without a more modern version of the spread.
I give him credit for that,hes always been one to scrap what doesn't work. That's why I'm confident pelinis gone, linehans gone and ensminger retires.
There will be a young oc and a younger dc next year.
We may be better off getting rid of them plus orgeron, I cant decide if that's the right idea a year after 15-0 though. Plus, can we even afford three different buyouts ?
I think he realized even a basic spread offense wasnt enough to beat bama,so that's when he started looking for ensmingers replacement or a pgc like brady to pair with ensminger.
Either way,coach o wasnt gonna go into last year without a more modern version of the spread.
I give him credit for that,hes always been one to scrap what doesn't work. That's why I'm confident pelinis gone, linehans gone and ensminger retires.
There will be a young oc and a younger dc next year.
We may be better off getting rid of them plus orgeron, I cant decide if that's the right idea a year after 15-0 though. Plus, can we even afford three different buyouts ?
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:39 pm to deaux
What's your beef with the 4-3
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:39 pm to Sport Wood
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I say this because O is definitely the type of person who would do everything in his power to bring everyone down with him.
Every time I think I've read the worst post, I read the next post
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:41 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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That’s right up there with Spurrier telling Wuerfel, “Danny it’s not your fault, it’s my fault for putting you in...”
Thing is, he’s been doing this ever since he got here.
Remember when Brosette started against Troy and O claimed he wasn’t aware that the 3rd string running back was going to get the first carry?
This is what he is. “Put this in me”, then explains things in ways that implicate everyone else.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:46 pm to Tigerpride18
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We may be better off getting rid of them plus orgeron, I cant decide if that's the right idea a year after 15-0 though. Plus, can we even afford three different buyouts ?
I don't think it is. I understand that there is a certain level of excellence set at LSU that only exists currently at a few programs (Alabama, Clemson, Boise State, Ohio State, Oklahoma, UGA, Wisconsin). There is obviously a lot more nuance to the situation, and many potential coaches will understand the unique situation that led to O being the head guy in the first place, but it's a really bad look. I am not one for prioritizing optics, but in this case running off a coach that just had one of the greatest seasons in college football history could harm the program long-term. It would be one of the most egregious firings in recent history, during a time when coaches have never had a shorter leash.
That's not even taking into account the investigation currently ongoing. That throws even more complications into the mix, some of which make it unlikely that anyone could make an accurate prediction as to how it will play out long term.
This post was edited on 12/10/20 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:47 pm to Sport Wood
Hell you could be talking about Saban too. That's just coaches in general.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:49 pm to Tigerpride18
He has no fricking clue. He had no beef
Prob doesn’t even know the difference between the two.
You didn’t type O sucks and LSU needs to fire him so you catch slack.
Good post btw.
All true things you originally posted yet you get downvoted.
Bunch of fricking simpletons here.
Keep that in mind.
Prob doesn’t even know the difference between the two.
You didn’t type O sucks and LSU needs to fire him so you catch slack.
Good post btw.
All true things you originally posted yet you get downvoted.
Bunch of fricking simpletons here.
Keep that in mind.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:57 pm to Tigerboy55
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His quote in the press conference every time we lose is put it on me he has not thrown anyone under the bus
He talks out of both sides of his mouth and tells people exactly what they want to hear. It's how he got the job in the first place.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 12:57 pm to Sport Wood
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I say this because O is definitely the type of person who would do everything in his power to bring everyone down with him. IMHO his lack of any real moral compass and the very apparent narcissistic tendencies he displays would lead him to relish the opportunity to go scorched earth on the whole program.
I can see some of the similarities between him and the orange man, but he isn't THAT unhinged.
Posted on 12/10/20 at 1:01 pm to StupidBinder
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Thing is, he’s been doing this ever since he got here.
Remember when Brosette started against Troy and O claimed he wasn’t aware that the 3rd string running back was going to get the first carry?
Yep. And most recently the comment about being disappointed with the offensive game plan against A&M, then the Stingley thing after that.
At the very least, you just keep that stuff in house. At the very most, as the head coach, you have a general idea of what is going on with the team to begin with and if you agree to what the assistants are proposing, that’s it, you own it. O does a very poor job at both and that’s why the CEO moniker really doesn’t apply to him.
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