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A Defensive Trend I noticed
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:03 pm
Since Aranda has been here, he's only given up 30 points in regulation a handful of times. The defense gave up 39 to Texas A&M in 2016, 37 to MSU in 2017, and 31 in regulation to Texas A&M in the OT game last year. UCF scored a defensive touchdown in the bowl game, and this year, Vandy scored two defensive touchdowns, which means that those scorelines aren't solely on the defense.
This year, we've given up 38 to Texas, 34 to Bama (as the Waddle PR TD shouldn't be held against Aranda) and 37 to Ole Miss. In each game, the defense held the opposition to a touchdown in the first half. The second half of each game saw some really bad defensive performances. In each of those games, the opposition offensive had around 200 yards in the first half, which indicates that the defense could occasionally stop them, but also indicates some weakness with the original scheme. In the second half of each, each of those teams gained much more yardage as well as points.
Doing some quick eyeball math, Texas had 357 yards in the second half, while having around 208 in the first. Bama had 196 yards in the first half, while they had 340 in the second. Similarly, Ole Miss had 204 yards in the first half, while they had 395 in the second half.
What do people think the issue is? Texas gashed us in the air the 2nd half, while Bama gashed us by both the run game and through the air, while Ole Miss did it through the run game. It's also the 3rd quarter which gives us the most problems, as we gave up 230 yards in the 3rd against Ole Miss, while we gave up 236 yards to Texas in the 3rd and 180 to Bama in the 3rd.
In the 4th, against Texas and Bama, each team had a long drive into the 4th which ate up a lot of clock, and thus limited their time to make a comeback, but I don't know if those long drives are indicative of defensive adjustments Aranda made. Texas had a drive that ate up 6 minutes of the clock in the 4th, and only resulted in a field goal, while Bama had a 14 play drive that ate up 4 and a half minutes of the clock.
Anyone have any ideas that could explain this trend? I've read somewhere, perhaps on this board, that Aranda wants Busch in the booth, but can't because of the offensive playcalling arrangement. I don't know if that is true, but at least it would be an explanation for poor 2nd half performances.
This year, we've given up 38 to Texas, 34 to Bama (as the Waddle PR TD shouldn't be held against Aranda) and 37 to Ole Miss. In each game, the defense held the opposition to a touchdown in the first half. The second half of each game saw some really bad defensive performances. In each of those games, the opposition offensive had around 200 yards in the first half, which indicates that the defense could occasionally stop them, but also indicates some weakness with the original scheme. In the second half of each, each of those teams gained much more yardage as well as points.
Doing some quick eyeball math, Texas had 357 yards in the second half, while having around 208 in the first. Bama had 196 yards in the first half, while they had 340 in the second. Similarly, Ole Miss had 204 yards in the first half, while they had 395 in the second half.
What do people think the issue is? Texas gashed us in the air the 2nd half, while Bama gashed us by both the run game and through the air, while Ole Miss did it through the run game. It's also the 3rd quarter which gives us the most problems, as we gave up 230 yards in the 3rd against Ole Miss, while we gave up 236 yards to Texas in the 3rd and 180 to Bama in the 3rd.
In the 4th, against Texas and Bama, each team had a long drive into the 4th which ate up a lot of clock, and thus limited their time to make a comeback, but I don't know if those long drives are indicative of defensive adjustments Aranda made. Texas had a drive that ate up 6 minutes of the clock in the 4th, and only resulted in a field goal, while Bama had a 14 play drive that ate up 4 and a half minutes of the clock.
Anyone have any ideas that could explain this trend? I've read somewhere, perhaps on this board, that Aranda wants Busch in the booth, but can't because of the offensive playcalling arrangement. I don't know if that is true, but at least it would be an explanation for poor 2nd half performances.
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Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:05 pm to crazy4lsu
The defense is doing what they can to make sure Burrow stays in the game to pad the stats for that sweet sweet hardware.
But in reality each teams make up is different, and honestly the Defense is doing what it needs to do and not letting the opposition really even come close to outscoring us. Sure it hasnt been pretty or what we are used to. But they have yet to let us be in a position where we were truly playing from behind (Kind of at Auburn).
But in reality each teams make up is different, and honestly the Defense is doing what it needs to do and not letting the opposition really even come close to outscoring us. Sure it hasnt been pretty or what we are used to. But they have yet to let us be in a position where we were truly playing from behind (Kind of at Auburn).
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:06 pm to crazy4lsu
It's not any one thing, but the inability for LSU to get pressure with its front 4 is the biggest issue IMO.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:10 pm to SoloTiger
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It's not any one thing, but the inability for LSU to get pressure with its front 4 is the biggest issue IMO.
As I've pointed out elsewhere, the D-line has been an issue for quite some time. We've only recorded 30 sacks in a season once since 2012, when we had 35 sacks in 2017. Even the 2014 defense, which finished the season ranked in the top 10, had only 19 sacks on the year. We came close to 30 last year, when we had 29 sacks. This season, we only have 21 sacks, which reflects the lack of pressure from the front 7.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:11 pm to crazy4lsu
What’s happening is we don’t have to rely on our defense in the second half to win us games anymore. If you rely too heavily on your defense (like Miles did) in this day in age, you’re going to end up getting beat. Our defense plays super good in the first half and then can just about cruise in the second half because of our offense being so electric
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:13 pm to sta4ever
quote:You maybe have it. Mystery explained. Maybe. Or not.
What’s happening is we don’t have to rely on our defense in the second half to win us games anymore. If you rely too heavily on your defense (like Miles did) in this day in age, you’re going to end up getting beat. Our defense plays super good in the first half and then can just about cruise in the second half because of our offense being so electric
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:14 pm to SoloTiger
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It's not any one thing, but the inability for LSU to get pressure with its front 4 is the biggest issue IMO.
This is definitely a huge part of the problem
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:16 pm to SoloTiger
Remember last season Delpit tied for the team lead in sacks? Having to move him to FS and take away his ability to rush the passer and provide balance opposite Chassion has a cascading effect. It’s been overlooked this season because so many things have gone wrong on D but it’s a very important weapon we’ve missed.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:20 pm to crazy4lsu
Very interesting observation there. And it’s weird bc what I’ve noticed is he usually plays a lot of base defense in the first half of games where in the second it seems he starts to dial it up with some blitzes and such. Seems like he just wants to play it safe in the beginning and see if the D can hold/their O makes mistakes and if that isn’t working he pins his ears back.
But against an offense like ole miss there’s really no excuse to sit back and respect the pass. Especially with our offense he should be stacking the box just like everyone used to do to us.
But against an offense like ole miss there’s really no excuse to sit back and respect the pass. Especially with our offense he should be stacking the box just like everyone used to do to us.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:25 pm to crazy4lsu
The one game we bucked the trend was UF where Trask carved us up in the first half, then Aranda went with more man in the 2nd half. The Texas and bama games were similar in that the offense sputtered a bit in the 3rd qtr which meant more time on the field for the defense. Last night too. If we can continue to run the ball im not worried about those 3rd quarter issues but we really need a complete game this weekend. We should name our own score and keep them under 17.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:27 pm to S
Even then, against UF we should have had 2 picks in the first half, and one UF scoring drive was extended by a PI. The 1st drive of the 2nd half was where UF did some impressive work, but UF was somewhat lucky to be in the game in the 2nd.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:29 pm to crazy4lsu
I’m just hoping they don’t capitulate against TAMU or UGA like we did against arky in 07. That defense was so banged up. I hope Delpit gets right but we miss Thomas and Divinity in our pressure package.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:30 pm to S
I think TC McCartney should come back to LSU and simulate opposing QBs at practice
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:31 pm to S
I wish we played Brooks more. We really need another safety to step up. That Todd Harris injury hurt us because it negated the pass rushing ability of Delpit, as now he's needed at FS.
Flott is progressing nicely, which hopefully means that Vincent can move to FS on occasion and allow Delpit to play closer to the line, which is where I think he performs best.
Flott is progressing nicely, which hopefully means that Vincent can move to FS on occasion and allow Delpit to play closer to the line, which is where I think he performs best.
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:36 pm to crazy4lsu
these are all teams with the ability to get the ball outside. we are huge on the inside and are built to stop the inside run, however our big guys aren't overly athletic so teams have success getting the ball outside. the lack of athleticism on the front was glaring last night,, no pass rush, no penetration, no contain
Posted on 11/17/19 at 4:42 pm to yimbeaux
That might be a good explanation, but Brooks seems to have a lot of speed and is an OLB. I hope he plays more because he seems to draw attention to himself every time he's on the field.
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