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re: 2018 Lsu vs Sec softball senior losses, per team vs LSU
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:13 pm to Dbtig
Posted on 6/8/17 at 6:13 pm to Dbtig
What you just described is so common where I live... the coaches play favorites.. the worst thing is now that playground ball is dying, the city i live in has about 10 playgrounds... they had to start putting three playgrounds together to make a team..and the head coach tends to favor the kids from his playground over those from the other two.
Happened to my sister's son. The kid that played in front of him barely knew the rules to the game, was small and very weak, but because he came from the same playground as the head coach, he started, my nephew sat the bench. A joke, really.
I assume there are college teams with that problem. If Satchell can play defense, I am sure she was wondering why she didnt get more play time. She can hit.
In the 2015 WCWS, Sydney Bourg DP'd. I think a lot of us thought she was a better fielder than Quinn, and then when she left, Dawson comes along, and it was the same story.
I had a coach for Junior Varsity that told us.. "If you say that you are better than the person in front of you, you better be TWICE as good as he is."
WHY? What if the reserve is just a little better than the guy in front of him? Aren't you supposed to play your best players? You mean the only way you will admit you put the wrong guy out there is if the right guy is TWICE as good as the wrong guy?
Ridiculous..and that coach played NO reserves... the starters played the whole game, all the time.
Happened to my sister's son. The kid that played in front of him barely knew the rules to the game, was small and very weak, but because he came from the same playground as the head coach, he started, my nephew sat the bench. A joke, really.
I assume there are college teams with that problem. If Satchell can play defense, I am sure she was wondering why she didnt get more play time. She can hit.
In the 2015 WCWS, Sydney Bourg DP'd. I think a lot of us thought she was a better fielder than Quinn, and then when she left, Dawson comes along, and it was the same story.
I had a coach for Junior Varsity that told us.. "If you say that you are better than the person in front of you, you better be TWICE as good as he is."
WHY? What if the reserve is just a little better than the guy in front of him? Aren't you supposed to play your best players? You mean the only way you will admit you put the wrong guy out there is if the right guy is TWICE as good as the wrong guy?
Ridiculous..and that coach played NO reserves... the starters played the whole game, all the time.
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Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:00 pm to Tigerbait357
Y'all know if Beth hadn't taken this program to the world series 4 times in only 6 years none of this talk would be about all the transfers. It would possibly be about firing her. It has also become a guessing game as to why she hasn't won the title. A lot of turmoil, hitting sucks, out coached, fire the hitting coach, etc. I am happy about getting to OKC and of course sad about not winning it. Only 1 team can win it every year and Florida could not lose with all their talent. Well they didn't win it. It takes some luck to win it all, ask Skip.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:06 pm to catnip
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Well they didn't win it. It takes some luck to win it all, ask Skip
4 times before he won a title. She's been 4. You're right. It takes talent and luck. Our time will come. Our won successes have driven all of these posts. All of this negative is due to positive things.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:09 pm to Jennlsu
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ur won successes have driven all of these posts. All of this negative is due to positive things.
That is exactly the point I was trying to make. Thanks for catching that.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:12 pm to catnip
Beth had the team to win it all in 2015. That was LSU's best team in recent memory. And Beth isnt the reason why her team didnt win it in 2015. Sometimes the players have to have their own softball minds to win games.
I watched that game on YouTube...when Bell, running from second base, ran right up to the short stop on a ground ball, got tagged, and the short stop threw the ball to first base, double play. It was stuff like that that had happened that killed that game. Wasn't Beth's fault.
The other years she took them to their limit, and beyond, but this year, they may have gone a little further than they should have because of the pitching.
I watched that game on YouTube...when Bell, running from second base, ran right up to the short stop on a ground ball, got tagged, and the short stop threw the ball to first base, double play. It was stuff like that that had happened that killed that game. Wasn't Beth's fault.
The other years she took them to their limit, and beyond, but this year, they may have gone a little further than they should have because of the pitching.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:31 pm to Bhs83
I'm sure many of you have missed my always spot on input.
A troll? I speak in truth and use logic and fact to discuss scenarios. I challenge you to show where I have been blatantly wrong on any subject I commented on. In the softball thread world, a troll is someone that disagrees with anything this staff does. In the real world, a troll is someone that name calls, defames and belittles when they can't break the argument. Sound familiar?
That is awesome. But we also went to the 2011 NC game in football and most understand we lost it due to coaching philosophy and stubbornness. It's not just making it, it's leaving no doubt that we put the best on the field to help us get the end result. No one can look at our position player situation the last 2 years and believe that is true.
Much of the discourse I have read on this thread is real and accurate. There is a serious disconnect between the players and staff and I am not referring to anything to do with playing time or non-starters. We are in need of some serious changes and quickly.
Hoover will not transfer. Hoover may not be a part of the 2018 team.
Smith was told if she stayed Hoover would not be a part of the 2018 team. True.
Dawson has never been in trouble with Beth. Dawson is not late to practice, failing drug test, getting in trouble, missing class or any of the other listed atrocities. All of this is false. Beth just doesn't have any confidence to play her and preferred Quinn and Sanchez without regard to performance. That's okay, Coaches are paid to make those decisions but as fans we can challenge them. Dawson is no drama queen, she is probably the quietest, most reticent athlete on the LSU campus. As I have said, I do know her father and frankly I do not have the spine to ask him about the rumors.
Even though he would not tell me or talk to me anyway.
This is a strong LSU family. I would not expect to hear anything from Nicky or him regarding this situation but I do believe it is a real possibility after seeing the way she was handled this year. See my other 50 post on how misused she was this season.
Does really good work on keeping up with our girls and the incoming recruits. But with all due respect has no idea of the internal balance of this team and the happenings. To much emotion and not enough logic. Love the guy though.
The transfers for this summer are not over yet, more to come (this is one I pray I am wrong about).
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18handicap
A troll? I speak in truth and use logic and fact to discuss scenarios. I challenge you to show where I have been blatantly wrong on any subject I commented on. In the softball thread world, a troll is someone that disagrees with anything this staff does. In the real world, a troll is someone that name calls, defames and belittles when they can't break the argument. Sound familiar?
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4 WCWS in 6 years
That is awesome. But we also went to the 2011 NC game in football and most understand we lost it due to coaching philosophy and stubbornness. It's not just making it, it's leaving no doubt that we put the best on the field to help us get the end result. No one can look at our position player situation the last 2 years and believe that is true.
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Discourse
Much of the discourse I have read on this thread is real and accurate. There is a serious disconnect between the players and staff and I am not referring to anything to do with playing time or non-starters. We are in need of some serious changes and quickly.
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Hoover status and transfer
Hoover will not transfer. Hoover may not be a part of the 2018 team.
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Smith
Smith was told if she stayed Hoover would not be a part of the 2018 team. True.
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Dawson rumors and transfer
Dawson has never been in trouble with Beth. Dawson is not late to practice, failing drug test, getting in trouble, missing class or any of the other listed atrocities. All of this is false. Beth just doesn't have any confidence to play her and preferred Quinn and Sanchez without regard to performance. That's okay, Coaches are paid to make those decisions but as fans we can challenge them. Dawson is no drama queen, she is probably the quietest, most reticent athlete on the LSU campus. As I have said, I do know her father and frankly I do not have the spine to ask him about the rumors.
Even though he would not tell me or talk to me anyway. This is a strong LSU family. I would not expect to hear anything from Nicky or him regarding this situation but I do believe it is a real possibility after seeing the way she was handled this year. See my other 50 post on how misused she was this season.
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Tigerbait357
Does really good work on keeping up with our girls and the incoming recruits. But with all due respect has no idea of the internal balance of this team and the happenings. To much emotion and not enough logic. Love the guy though.
The transfers for this summer are not over yet, more to come (this is one I pray I am wrong about).
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 7:37 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:38 pm to LSUAshlyn
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Hoover will not transfer. Hoover may not be a part of the 2018 team
Why wouldn't she? It makes no sense at all.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:51 pm to LSUAshlyn
At least I don't hide behind my screen name like most of you with all of this "inside" information. I've told y'all on several occasions my name, where I sit, and where I'm from...
I know a lot of people too and I choose to not post "inside" information because it's not my business to post these things. If the team wanted everyone to know, then they will post it.
Some of you stick your noses where they don't belong. All it does it create more drama where it doesn't need to be. Like imperial said that I don't need to hear from a friend of a relative, etc. Especially when you don't say who you are and hide behind your computer screen...
My name is Billy Hicks from Houston area and have season tickets in 103.... ok, your turn. I'll respect you a lot more if you do the same.
I'm done with this discussion. Y'all have at it and leave my name out of it please.
I know a lot of people too and I choose to not post "inside" information because it's not my business to post these things. If the team wanted everyone to know, then they will post it.
Some of you stick your noses where they don't belong. All it does it create more drama where it doesn't need to be. Like imperial said that I don't need to hear from a friend of a relative, etc. Especially when you don't say who you are and hide behind your computer screen...
My name is Billy Hicks from Houston area and have season tickets in 103.... ok, your turn. I'll respect you a lot more if you do the same.
I'm done with this discussion. Y'all have at it and leave my name out of it please.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 7:56 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:05 pm to LSUAshlyn
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I'm sure many of you have missed my always spot on input
Maybe you say this tongue in cheek, maybe not. I just think you and your opinions and observations would be better received here if you didn't come off as such a "know it all" who can't be disputed. Much of what you say is agreeable and sensible, I just think you rub people the wrong way with your approach.
Since you threw them out there, a couple of things you mentioned are things I have also had confirmed to me by people I trust who would know:
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Hoover will not transfer. Hoover may not be a part of the 2018 team.
Sad but a definite possibility.
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Smith was told if she stayed Hoover would not be a part of the 2018 team. True.
Also have heard the same thing.
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The transfers for this summer are not over yet, more to come
Again, likely true, and I also hope this proves wrong.
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There is a serious disconnect between the players and staff and I am not referring to anything to do with playing time or non-starters.
This one I don't get. If you saw the press conference after LSU was eliminated from the WCWS, Jaquish, Quinn, Landry, and Beth herself were all very emotional toward each other. You can't fake stuff like that. So if it wasn't them, I can't see where the problem lies, and honestly is isn't for us to know...but I've always seen this group as one big happy family from the outside.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:10 pm to LSUGrad9295
Why would hoover not be part of team?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:12 pm to Bhs83
Some of these things essentially make no sense at all.
I've met many players who played under Beth. They all say she is really really rough and strict but she's extremely graceful and just a nice person. She's a family woman too so they've been around that side of her a lot.
Just from all that and having meeting her many times I just can't picture her as someone who belittles or tears down her players. I'm sure she can be a bitch but I mean shite what coach can't be?
All the girls I know on the team love Leftwich as well.
I'm not on the team so I'm not going to dig deep and go on a witch hunt to solve this, it's a personal matter but something seems to be a much bigger issue internally.
Hopefully it can all be resolved this off season quickly and we can move on with the future. But this entire situation with the stories and accusations have so many contradictions and goes against a lot of stuff that it makes no sense to anyone.
I've met many players who played under Beth. They all say she is really really rough and strict but she's extremely graceful and just a nice person. She's a family woman too so they've been around that side of her a lot.
Just from all that and having meeting her many times I just can't picture her as someone who belittles or tears down her players. I'm sure she can be a bitch but I mean shite what coach can't be?
All the girls I know on the team love Leftwich as well.
I'm not on the team so I'm not going to dig deep and go on a witch hunt to solve this, it's a personal matter but something seems to be a much bigger issue internally.
Hopefully it can all be resolved this off season quickly and we can move on with the future. But this entire situation with the stories and accusations have so many contradictions and goes against a lot of stuff that it makes no sense to anyone.
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:16 pm to Bhs83
I keep asking the same. According to her mom and her IG, she loves LSU and can't wait to be back next year. Beth also spoke about her for next year in the Advocate article
This post was edited on 6/8/17 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:17 pm to LSUGrad9295
"This one I don't get. If you saw the press conference after LSU was eliminated from the WCWS, Jaquish, Quinn, Landry, and Beth herself were all very emotional toward each other. You can't fake stuff like that. So if it wasn't them, I can't see where the problem lies, and honestly is isn't for us to know...but I've always seen this group as one big happy family from the outside."
So 3 seniors & the coach were sad? Go figure ??
Your view from the outside is very skewed.
Thanks Ashlyn for confirming what I've said.
So 3 seniors & the coach were sad? Go figure ??
Your view from the outside is very skewed.
Thanks Ashlyn for confirming what I've said.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:08 pm to LSUGrad9295
Hoover not being on it, unless she gives it up, is crazy to happen as a senior. If it's getting rid of her, why keep her this year? It just doesn't make sense. We would have major problems losing a starting pitching and main back-up. If that happens, then there are much bigger problems than what anyone has said. To that happen as a SENIOR, is just crazy.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:14 pm to paintthecorner
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So 3 seniors & the coach were sad? Go figure ??
What I'm saying is there obviously wasn't a "disconnect" between those players and the coach, and those players were there for 4 years. So the disconnect that people speak of must come from lower down than the seniors. So where is it?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:17 pm to Jennlsu
No idea. Makes no sense. Why would she quit or get put off the team then remain at LSU?
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:21 pm to LSUGrad9295
The same thing was said about Jaquish her entire freshman and sophomore years.
I don't doubt there is discord but I think some things seem a bit blown out of the water. If it's from the players it's definitely not anyone in the senior class
I don't doubt there is discord but I think some things seem a bit blown out of the water. If it's from the players it's definitely not anyone in the senior class
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:23 pm to Bhs83
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Why would hoover not be part of team?
I think it has to be tied with this statement somehow. Interpret it as you like...but definite inferences can be drawn:
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Smith was told if she stayed Hoover would not be a part of the 2018 team. True.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:26 pm to LSUGrad9295
However, to basically have some sort of ultimatum to come between 2 players like that is also crazy. Handle it a different way.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:29 pm to LSUGrad9295
So they would boot Hoover to keep Smith? That be crazy.
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