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re: With rumors swirling that TJ Finley might get the nod Saturday - I'd like to rehash
Posted on 10/22/20 at 9:49 pm to CatfishJohn
Posted on 10/22/20 at 9:49 pm to CatfishJohn
He sippin on that haterade
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Posted on 10/23/20 at 2:39 am to Chalkywhite84
Seriously man. Everyone in this thread is bringing up all the negative evaluations of TJ as a prospect just so they can say “I told you so” if he struggles. I don’t understand it. Y’all aren’t quarterback gurus. If TJ starts, I hope he tears it up. If max starts, I hope he tears it up. They are both our quarterbacks. They also are both true freshman, it’s the 4th game of the season, and the off-season was messed up.
If either one of them struggle, it certainly doesn’t mean someone’s amateur scouting report based on some high school games was correct. If either or both of them struggle, you can’t consider them a bust. Not many true freshman light it up in their first SEC start. “Rehashing” is premature at this point.
If either one of them struggle, it certainly doesn’t mean someone’s amateur scouting report based on some high school games was correct. If either or both of them struggle, you can’t consider them a bust. Not many true freshman light it up in their first SEC start. “Rehashing” is premature at this point.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 2:42 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 6:10 am to GorgeousGeorge
Dont you know,the recruiting board is for film evaluation experts
I've heard Finley is extremely smart ,maybe he has a better grasp of the mental side of the game and the offense as a whole
I've heard Finley is extremely smart ,maybe he has a better grasp of the mental side of the game and the offense as a whole
Posted on 10/23/20 at 6:40 am to CatfishJohn
You should have saved this thread for when TJ tosses for 300+.
Because what if he has a bad game. Folks would be ...ahem...rehashing 5”this thread.
Because what if he has a bad game. Folks would be ...ahem...rehashing 5”this thread.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 8:14 am to GorgeousGeorge
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. Everyone in this thread is bringing up all the negative evaluations of TJ as a prospect just so they can say “I told you so” if he struggles. I don’t understand it. Y’all aren’t quarterback gurus. If TJ starts
No they arent.
Most people didn’t have a strong opinion one way or another and trusted coach evaluations. Can’t have an “I told you so” if you never proclaimed he was great.
Some people had a very strong opinion he sucks though, as pointed out in OP.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 8:15 am to dstone12
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Because what if he has a bad game. Folks would be ...ahem...rehashing 5”this thread.
Another person who didn’t read the OP.
I never said they were wrong, just wanted to bring it back up prior to the game so we can remember what was discussed.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 8:32 am to skullhawk
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TJ was a 50% passer in HS w/ 22 ints thrown as a varsity starter. That's concerning.
Max threw 22 ints as well. Looking at high school stats on paper is such a lazy take. I've seen kids put up gaudy numbers at QB and didnt get nothing more than a Conference USA offer.
Its about upside. Both been on campus for 10 months. What TJ and Max did in High School is irrelevant now.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 8:44 am to TigerFanFromBama
Finley would benefit if he moved to tight end, no qb potential
Posted on 10/23/20 at 8:57 am to CatfishJohn
I like most on here do not have enough info to judge this decision of Finley starting. I was under the impression that Max was the more polished qb out of these 2. With that said why is he not starting? Did the coaching staff decide that running the ball might be a better chance for winning? That would make sense of Finley starting. He is bigger. This tells me that we probably will not be throwing the ball much. jmo
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:04 am to CatfishJohn
It’s crazy how people feel about TJ. He played his senior season with not some of the best players. Was an Elite 11 QB that says a lot right there within itself. He got the size and arm strength to make all the throws. Highly recruited despite the numbers most say he’s lacking. But, if I recall when he scored 9 TD’s in a game y’all was raving about his performance. If a kid can play a kid can play that’s it.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:37 am to SmartyAltidore
quote:Frankly, it doesn't matter where he was in HS. His body is different and he's been coached up hopefully.
It’s crazy how people feel about TJ. He played his senior season with not some of the best players. Was an Elite 11 QB that says a lot right there within itself. He got the size and arm strength to make all the throws. Highly recruited despite the numbers most say he’s lacking. But, if I recall when he scored 9 TD’s in a game y’all was raving about his performance. If a kid can play a kid can play that’s it.
All that matters is where he is now.
Yes- if he flubs people will point to the HS-recruiting info. But that's still wrong- the finger pointing should be that he hasn't been coached up. Now there's legitimate reasons why that would happen such as lack of experience and there hasn't been time to coach him up. Very legitimate reasons (not excuses). But that still has shite all to do with HS.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:42 am to CatfishJohn
All of this is probably the reason he was a 3 star
Posted on 10/23/20 at 9:45 am to CatfishJohn
Ponchy's opinion is based on 15+ games that he saw Finley play in high school. I'm sure that is more than most have seen him play.
He is banned at the moment, but he told me that he wants nothing more than for Finley to succeed and do his hometown proud. He just stated his thoughts and observations on why it might not happen.
He is banned at the moment, but he told me that he wants nothing more than for Finley to succeed and do his hometown proud. He just stated his thoughts and observations on why it might not happen.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 10:17 am to CatfishJohn
He may end up being a good QB but nobody here should have much expectation from him this weekend. In fact, you should expect an arse reaming on offense. There's no way either of these guys in a pandemic year their first year in the program have a grasp on this offense. LSU is absolutely fricked against SC. Better hope the defense woke up.
LSU is in rebuild mode right now and it shouldn't be in this position even after losing as much as we did. O needs to do a better job in recruiting especially Oline. That 2018 class is absolutely killing us right now. We're again in a position where we're not going to add the depth we need on Oline even if we land the big names. Is that like the 4th year in a row? if we lose the big names on the Oline it would be catastrophic. We have too much attrition there and guys not panning out on top of not recruiting enough every class. That position group is in shambles depth wise.
Not going to matter who's behind center if we keep pushing out there what we have every Saturday. All our QBs will end up like Myles Brennan or worse. They're just not that good this year. They don't open holes up in the run game at all.
LSU is in rebuild mode right now and it shouldn't be in this position even after losing as much as we did. O needs to do a better job in recruiting especially Oline. That 2018 class is absolutely killing us right now. We're again in a position where we're not going to add the depth we need on Oline even if we land the big names. Is that like the 4th year in a row? if we lose the big names on the Oline it would be catastrophic. We have too much attrition there and guys not panning out on top of not recruiting enough every class. That position group is in shambles depth wise.
Not going to matter who's behind center if we keep pushing out there what we have every Saturday. All our QBs will end up like Myles Brennan or worse. They're just not that good this year. They don't open holes up in the run game at all.
This post was edited on 10/23/20 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/23/20 at 11:59 am to Rouge
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Ponchy's opinion is based on 15+ games that he saw Finley play in high school. I'm sure that is more than most have seen him play.
He is banned at the moment, but he told me that he wants nothing more than for Finley to succeed and do his hometown proud. He just stated his thoughts and observations on why it might not happen.
And him being the person who has seen him most and shared the most is the reason I brought his opinions back to the front page.
Fun for us on the recruiting board to evaluate players and see how correct we are.
I hope Ponchy was wrong, but I'll be the first to say he was right if Finley sucks. I don't have an opinion on the kid right now because I don't know enough.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 12:42 pm to CatfishJohn
And you still won’t know enough after Saturday.
Posted on 10/23/20 at 1:15 pm to GorgeousGeorge
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And you still won’t know enough after Saturday.
We'll know a lot more!
I'm just looking for some glimpses of promise. A few beautiful throws and good decisions will offset some bad plays for a freshman IMO.
Posted on 10/24/20 at 7:50 am to CatfishJohn
I saw the kid play many times. I agree with Ponchy. I HOPE AND PRAY I’m wrong
Posted on 10/24/20 at 2:58 pm to skullhawk
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TJ was a 50% passer in HS w/ 22 ints thrown as a varsity starter. That's concerning. He seemed to do well in camp settings but when I spoke to people who saw him play they all came away unimpressed.
I'm sure he's gotten better with college coaching and there is no doubting his size and arm strength.
Do you know what Max Johnson's completion percentage was in high school? One hundredth percentage point higher than Finley's. 52% to 51%. Finley had more TD passes (57-49), more yards (7,242 - 5,236) and they both had 22 ints. What are your thoughts on Johnson? Are his 22 ints concerning to you as well?
Posted on 10/24/20 at 3:41 pm to whitefoot
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agree with the overall tone of this thread and hated the amount of criticism Finley took on here, but this seems premature. Him possibly starting on Saturday doesn't necessarily mean that Ponchy and the others were wrong.
Well Ponchy seemed to have been wrong on every quantifiable metric he espoused against Finley. He said he would not sign with a top tier college program. Wrong! He said he would never start at a top tier program. Wrong! He said Finley was lazy. Wrong! Lazy doesn't lose 20+ lbs in just a few months. He said Finley was not a leader. That's to be determined but the signs indicate wrong again. At the minimum Finley has led by example through hard work, dedication to learning the playbook, outperforming a higher rated player and winning the starting job against evidently all odds. The coaching staff must believe he is a leader by the entrusting him to be the starting QB in a crucial game for the program.
I didn't believe Ponchy back then and I don't believe him now. List one thing negative he said about Finley that has proven to be correct as of this date. You and others seem to be waiting for Pounchy's negative statements about Finley to come true, while at the same time, overlooking the many that have been proven patently false. As if you are waiting for some of the mud thrown at the wall to stick
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