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re: Will Wade offers another grad transfer
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:08 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:08 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Hayward was not a good basketball player.
This. With Combs coming in and taking Hayward's spot, we traded a 3 year scholarship commitment for a 1 year commitment, and will have a player with more impact for that 1 year. WW showing that he wants to turn the roster over quickly, which is much needed. I like the plan in place.
This post was edited on 5/8/17 at 6:54 am
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Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:20 pm to b rod lsu
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we traded a 3 year scholarship commitment into a 1 year commitment, and will have a more player with more impact for that 1 year.
This is also a very good point. Its just good roster management for the future.
Wade clearly can recruit. This gives us a solid player(s) next year that can contribute in a major way and then he can recruit his own guys to come in for 3+ years of scholarship.
Posted on 5/5/17 at 2:54 pm to TheCaterpillar
A lot of freshman struggle their first year and specifically overseas players because they have to adjust. You can't write someone off after 1 season.
Idk why some of you think the guy is a poor athlete. Poor reaction or footwork, maybe. Poor athlete, no.
Idk why some of you think the guy is a poor athlete. Poor reaction or footwork, maybe. Poor athlete, no.
Posted on 5/5/17 at 3:05 pm to bugafor6
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A lot of freshman struggle their first year and specifically overseas players because they have to adjust. You can't write someone off after 1 season.
Idk why some of you think the guy is a poor athlete. Poor reaction or footwork, maybe. Poor athlete, no.
Hayward could develop, certainly, but, he was poor as a freshman. Quarterman looked bad too, and developed, but that doesnt always happen.
Darcy Malone was bad too, and well, got worse.
I think trading a 3 year commitment of a very questionable guy for a 1 year commitment of a surely instant impact guy is a step in the right direction.
Posted on 5/5/17 at 3:20 pm to RoyalLSU
Visiting next week
This post was edited on 5/5/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 5/5/17 at 3:38 pm to bugafor6
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Idk why some of you think the guy is a poor athlete. Poor reaction or footwork, maybe. Poor athlete, no.
I didn't say he was a poor athlete. I just said he wasn't athletic enough to be someone we risk as a developmental player for 3+ years of scholarship. Compared to the average joe, I'm sure he's a very good athlete. Compared to top D1 players, he's not.
Wade recruits better than that and has already replaced him with a better player that will leave in a year and allow Wade to get his own guys in.
Hayward's ceiling is a good shooter. He'll never be a great ball handler or defender at top D1 levels. He just doesn't have the physical skill set.
I wish the guy well though.
Posted on 5/5/17 at 5:51 pm to TheCaterpillar
He has well over a 30 inch very at 6'5. That's good athleticism at any level. He may never be a great ball handler or defender, but he's a 2 guard so he doesn't need great handling and as a role player, he doesn't need to be a great defender to make an impact for 15 minutes a game either. Hell, Buddy Heild was the best scorer in basketball a year ago and he was a below average ball handler and defender.
Posted on 5/5/17 at 5:57 pm to TheCaterpillar
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If Wade brings LSU to the NCAA tournament in year 1, what would be your reaction?
Throw him a fricking parade
Posted on 5/5/17 at 9:07 pm to tigersbb
Just stop. I've seen better coaching at the Upward Basketball level.
Posted on 5/5/17 at 9:14 pm to TheCaterpillar
Correct. Hayward is far more athletic than Collins.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:43 am to Laman1978
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Not saying this is the case, but sometimes it's more about changing the attitude and culture of a program than it is a talent issue.
Truth
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:45 am to tigersbb
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This is absurd. The first four seasons were good, not great but bar from a wrecked program
The program is wrecked because of where the program was when he left.
That he had some success along the way does not change that at all.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 12:56 pm to moneyg
Exactly. His horrid roster management and lack of discipline is the reason we are offering scholarships to mid major grad transfers that can only score 6 ppg
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:35 pm to bugafor6
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This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:42 pm to HSHoopscoach
He's not talking about Alstork, he's talking about the guy from Lehigh that only shot about 33% from the field.Though I looked at a little film on him and the guy was impressive. I know it's just a highlight tape but the guy showed an array of offensive moves and a nice stroke from 3.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 4:02 pm to bugafor6
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Exactly. His horrid roster management and lack of discipline is the reason we are offering scholarships to mid major grad transfers that can only score 6 ppg
There is talent on this squad. There are a couple of holes. The biggest problem was caused by Craig Victor being dismissed from the team. With Victor in the lineup Duop Reath would have been far more effective and would not have been in constant foul trouble . Elbert Robinson;s failure to develop into a key contributor is also a big problem. Other than that area there is above average talent at the other four postiions in Mays, Sampson, Sims, Reath, Rachal and Alexander . Epps and Patterson are serviceable rotation players. The program is far from a train wreck and can quickly become a contender for the upper half of the league.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:29 pm to tigersbb
We lost 15 in a row. That's as train wreck as it gets. Also, as a coach you have to have back up plans in case of injury or other thinks. Victor was no all star, his absence didn't help, but it wasn't the difference between being a respectable team and being one of the worst in P5 conferences.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 12:17 pm to bugafor6
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We lost 15 in a row. That's as train wreck as it gets. Also, as a coach you have to have back up plans in case of injury or other thinks. Victor was no all star, his absence didn't help, but it wasn't the difference between being a respectable team and being one of the worst in P5 conference
Agree it was a terrible season.
Disagree on the effect of the loss of Craig Victor. It would be great to have a backup plan in place for all contingencies, but not many programs can compensate for the loss of a player who will give you a double double or close to it. Being the elder statesman Victor should have provided leadership and example for the young players. He failed miserably on all counts. That was on Victor not Jones. The backup Elbert Robinson just never developed like expected into a major contributor.
Perspective; This program lost four players to early NBA entry over the prior two seasons, plus two NBA D League players last year. Again, not many programs besides Kentucky, Duke, North Carolina can survive those type of player losses. This has been the single biggest reason LSU basketball has been so inconsistent over the past 12 years. Hopefully Wade can figure it out. This can be a top 10 to 15 program if that one issue is resolved assuming the rest of the recruiting remains on par.
There are good players on the roster and with Victor performing as expected they would have won 7 to 9 SEC games. With the new recruits and transfers coming in the team can contend for the top half of the league and may even get an NCAA bid.
I don't disagree with replacing Jones and on the surface as it seems Wade could be a home run selection. What is important is to establish a solid base that can withstand early NBA entries and become a consistent contender for a top 3 to 4 finish in the SEC. With double digit league wins, a 20 win season including a couple of wins over top tier opponents and at least make it to the SEC tourney semifinal the Tigers will be once again dancing in March.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 3:15 pm to tigersbb
How many double doubles did victor give us in his time at LSU? Again, he would have helped but not made a difference in all of our 20 point losses. Simmons, Mickey and Martin are the only guys Jones had that can impact a game that much.
Posted on 5/7/17 at 10:22 pm to TheCaterpillar
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We've upgraded our roster in major ways this off-season, except of course AB leaving.
If Wade lands Mark Alstork from Wright State, that could help cushion the blow of losing Blakeney.
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