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Will the NCAA ever grant another "Austin Thomas" waiver?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:49 pm
how this didn't cause more shite (especially in the SEC) still blows my mind. last year after a coaching change? OK. this year, however? it makes no sense for the NCAA to allow Thomas to recruit for Pete Jenkins due to Jenkins's age. we basically got to hire a shadow staff member who gets to officially coach and an ace recruiter for one position (DL coach). and why? because O voluntarily chose to hire a good DL coach who wasn't able to recruit.
LSU was unfairly rewarded by the NCAA for a questionable hire and may have created a new paradigm that teams like Alabama can absolutely abuse. can anyone imagine what Saban can do with a dual staff of coaches and recruiters with waivers in that spot? so, i can't imagine the NCAA (Especially in this climate against unregulated shadow staffs) will issue these cheat codes very often in the future
LSU was unfairly rewarded by the NCAA for a questionable hire and may have created a new paradigm that teams like Alabama can absolutely abuse. can anyone imagine what Saban can do with a dual staff of coaches and recruiters with waivers in that spot? so, i can't imagine the NCAA (Especially in this climate against unregulated shadow staffs) will issue these cheat codes very often in the future
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Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wonder if they brought Jenkins' age and health into the picture.
Like a pity waiver.
Like a pity waiver.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 12:58 pm to TheCaterpillar
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I wonder if they brought Jenkins' age and health into the picture.
i think that was the only argument
which makes no sense b/c they didn't have to hire him in the first place
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
The only other thing I can figure is the fact that Jenkins was officially considered a “transient employee” by the school somehow played a part.
But yes, it’s a can of worms that won’t likely be open very long.
But yes, it’s a can of worms that won’t likely be open very long.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
If there was a chance it would happen again, Alabama would probably have 5 petitions in already.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
I think you’re making too big of a deal out of it. There are still limits on visits, number of coaches on the road, etc.
If may have been a minor advantage, but nothing special.
If may have been a minor advantage, but nothing special.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 2:20 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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If may have been a minor advantage, but nothing special.
I disagree.
This waiver could allow coaches to not have to balance recruiting vs X&O coaching when making a hire. Say there's a guy who's totally shitty at recruiting but is a brilliant coach. Without the waiver, the school would simply have to make do with a coach who was a shitty recruiter. If the waiver is allowed, they could keep the awesome coach and get someone else, who's awesome at recruiting, to pick up the slack in that area.
Like having your cake and eating it too.
I mean, I have no idea how Jenkins is as a recruiter, so I'm not speaking about his abilities there, but the is basically what LSU did. Got an awesome recruiter to pick up the slack for an awesome football coach.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
Dunno.
What I do know, is that we have had a parade of shitty football coaches at the WR position outside of Henry. We have to have balance between recruiting abilities and coaching acumen. Something that hasn't been there consistently
What I do know, is that we have had a parade of shitty football coaches at the WR position outside of Henry. We have to have balance between recruiting abilities and coaching acumen. Something that hasn't been there consistently
Posted on 12/13/17 at 3:06 pm to ProjectP2294
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there was a chance it would happen again, Alabama would probably have 5 petitions in already.
Would be a hard sell to the athletic department considering how much money Saban already makes. You’d have to pay these guys on top of true coaches.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 4:26 pm to whitefoot
Who are all these great recruiters that don't coach?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:29 pm to Lester Earl
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Would be a hard sell to the athletic department considering how much money Saban already makes. Y
they have the largest shadow staff in the country by a large margin. money wouldn't be the issue here.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 5:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
$45,000 is a whole lot less than the $150k that low tier position coaches make at a big school
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Who are all these great recruiters that don't coach?
Austin Thomas
Who knew who he was a year and a half ago before LSU created this GM position for him? You think it's far fetched that college coaches can't find guys that wouldn't make for great coaches, but they can connect with 15-18 year olds and recruit well?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
It was a very weird situation where Jenkins was a interim DLine coach and I think we announced him as full time after the recruiting season
Still don’t understand why Austin got to recruit players. I guess He put him on staff? Weird
Still don’t understand why Austin got to recruit players. I guess He put him on staff? Weird
Posted on 12/13/17 at 6:59 pm to SammyTiger
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I think we announced him as full time after the recruiting season
He was always listed as a transient employee and he was paid monthly. I believe his contract was for $25K/month.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it makes no sense for the NCAA to allow Thomas to recruit for Pete Jenkins due to Jenkins's age. we basically got to hire a shadow staff member who gets to officially coach and an ace recruiter for one position (DL coach). and why?
you think it was an advantage to have a staffer recruiting instead of Pete Jenkins... Glad you are not running the recruiting program.
In order to have Thomas recruiting we had to withold one of our regular coaches from recruiting... That is normally an extreme tactical disadvantage. Do you think a recruit wants to see a NFL Legend coach in their living room or a $150K a year suit?
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
It’s not that big of a deal.
Posted on 12/13/17 at 8:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
All this time I thought you were a LSU fan.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 5:54 am to GetmorewithLes
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you think it was an advantage to have a staffer recruiting instead of Pete Jenkins...
Yes, without question.
And if you disagree please explain why Jenkins couldn’t carry out his recruiting duties.
Posted on 12/14/17 at 7:36 am to GetmorewithLes
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In order to have Thomas recruiting we had to withold one of our regular coaches from recruiting
a guy who had no interest in recruiting or energy to do it, who hasn't done it in almost 20 years
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That is normally an extreme tactical disadvantage.
and it was the opposite with AT, who was like a top 10 recruiter in the nation
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Do you think a recruit wants to see a NFL Legend coach in their living room or a $150K a year suit?
these kids don't know who pete jenkins is and nobody at LSU wanted him recruiting for a reason
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