re: Stars, stars, stars

So you are saying the list is shite or are you saying Hester further proves my point??

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I know that bama and Clemson by and large have rosters loaded down with 4-5 star talent

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Bama-yes, Clemson-no. Since the 2014 recruiting class Clemson has signed 11 5stars, 45 4 stars and 38 3 stars. If you take away the 2018 recruiting class they've signed only 6 5 stars, 38 4 stars and 33 3 stars. Clemson wasn't recruiting at a high level until after they won their first NC. Since their first in 2017 they've been able to sign more 5 stars and 4 stars. A team can have all the talent in the world at 21 positions but if they have a mediocre QB the offense will struggle, and that has been LSU's problem the last few years. If LSU had Metenberger in 2017 they would've beat bama, or at least made it a much better game. Canada had bama's defense confused on a few plays but LSU's offense couldn't convert (namely Etling) When the talent level of teams is close you must convert the plays when the opportunities present them selves. It's not just players, it's coaches, and Ensminger is no competition against a saban defense. Canada was able to insert plays that confused the bama defense. Ensminger doesn't have that ability. I hope Brady can help in this respect. If LSU didn't have talent they would not have won 10 games last season and beat some very good teams. But it's more than talent, like I said.

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Who needs a 5 star Like Surtain who left us at the altar!! Ok guys.....rip my post up and throw me under the bus!!

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LSU has 5 5* on their starting defense.

Lawrence, Phillips, Fulton, Stingley, Stevens.

They have the number one player in the state John Emery who I predict will end the season with the most carries (Edwards Helaire will have 70/30 carries/receptions).

They have 3 5* committed as of this post.

Yes, LSU wants 5*.

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So you are saying the list is shite or are you saying Hester further proves my point??

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Scotty1955, go back to year 2000 or when the BCS started and look at all the teams that played for a national title and then look at where they were rated in recruiting for a 4 year period.

How teams finish in the rankings has a direct impact on championships. Stars do not predict the future and only rates the players measurable talents.

You coach a team with only 3 star players and pick 25 every year and no cheating as you cannot look into the future an see how they developed and you cannot pick any 4 or 5 star players.

Let me have my pick of the 4 and 5 star players for my team and then lets you and I play each other and compete in the SEC.

You most likely finish last in the SEC and my team plays in the championship.

Your 100 players over 4 years will land a few NFL draft picks and over half my players will get drafted and play NFL football.

Now fast forward 10 years and see how all the 3 star players develop, mature and then pick your team and go back 10 years then you are competing for titles.

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The emphasis that posters are putting on stars right now is just being used to get at the coach.

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This is way that i took the OP. Never allow your dislike of a coach override your love for LSU.

Let me try to make a comparison here. Pretend a fb season's record is determined by 25 shots on a basketball court. The 25 represent schollys for the year. If you sign a 5 star, you shoot a layup for him.4 star, a free throw, 3 star a 3 point shot, and anything less is a shot from half court. The team that signs the higher rated players will have easier shots on the court and will make a higher % of those shots as a result. It's possible Temple could make a higher % than LSU, but extremely unlikely.

So I wanted to hit this thread with some facts. I looked at players ranked 300 or lower in the 247 composite from 2013-2018 (high school only and no specialists). There are a few guys who got 4 star ratings even being 300 nationally or lower.

The results are that the ranking services IMO do a pretty damn good job at what they do. There are usually 1 and sometimes 2 studs per class that were rated too low (e.g. Chark, Duke Riley, Foster Moreau, Justin Jefferson, etc.) but most don't make much of an impact or even stick around). I broke them down as to whether those players "hit" or not. Just my opinion. Others may disagree with my "hits" and that's fine.

2013 57% (4 out of 7 hit with Riley, Robinson, Malone, and Neal)

Andy Dodd 324 4 star
Rashard Robinson 334 4 star
Kevin Spears 417
Michael Patterson 480
Lewis Neal 516
KJ Malone 538
Duke Riley 539

2014 57% (4 out of 7 hit with Chark, Gage, Alexander, Battle)

Tony Upchurch 304
Sione Teuhema 365
John Battle 406
DJ Chark 435
Trey L 446
Donnie Alexander 451
Russell Gage 898

2015 44% (4 out of 9 hit with Moreau the best player and Jazz Ferguson transferred out but got drafted. He was actually a 4 star. I gave a hit to Founette and Magee. I don't consider McMillan a hit).

Jazz Ferguson 300 4 star
Adrian Magee 427
George Brown 476
Isaiah Washington 493
Brykeithon Mouton 667
Lanard Founette N/R
Hanner Shipley N/R
Justin McMillan N/R
Foster Moreau N/R

2016 16% (1 out of 6 hit...only Lloyd Cushenberry. Poor job evaluating the lower rated guys this year)

Cameron Lewis 352
Caleb Roddy 371
Sci Martin 542
Lindsey Scott N/R
Jakori Savage N/R
Lloyd Cushenberry N/R

2017 44% (4 out of 9 have hit depending on whether you count Carter which I do. Jefferson is the best of the bunch. Helaire has made a significant impact and I think Farrell is a player and will soon. I left off McMath as a hit at this point, but some may add him)

Neil Farrell 375
Clyde Edwards-Helaire 378
Justin Thomas 513
Racey McMath 609
Jontre Kirklin 668
Seth Stewart 738
Aaron Moffitt 857
Tory Carter N/R
Justin Jefferson N/R

2018 0% (Thus far 0/12 have made a significant impact but it is still early. 4 of the 12 are no longer even on the roster. 1/2 of this class is composed of 300 or lower kids and it looks like it is going to be really poor. Even worse than it's #15 national ranking IMO. Still time for some to rise up though.

Dare Rosenthal 305 4 star
Kenan Jones 327 4 star
Chris Curry 355 4 star
Damone Clark 357 4 star
Cameron Wire 428
Cole Smith 423
Jaray Jenkins 448
Nelson Jenkins 519
Dominic Livingston 527
Zach Sheffer 632
Tae Provens 769
Dantrieze Scott 797

In closing, it is clear from looking at the Top 250-300 kids signed each year that the vast majority of them can play and belong at LSU's level. Not all hit of course, but Top 250 has always been one of my favorite barometers for whether or not the kid will have a chance to be a starter or significant contributor one day.

Agreed. You'd think some would prefer a class full of 3 stars from the sound of it.

It's still early to give O a true rating, but it appears the Miles regime was pretty good at finding those diamonds in the rough between 2013-2015.

His classes I reviewed hit on 12/23 which is better than 50%.

Class of '16 had a lot of misses by Miles however.

I thought he did but you may be right. Maybe I just saw some coverage of him from his house during the draft.

I edited the comment about Miles and O sharing class of 2016. It was actually 2017 they shared where O closed out the last 4-5 months.

3* kids are among the best in the country. They are still projected to be high level players. The difference is they may need a few years to develop. Whether it be bulking up, refining their skills etc..