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Recruiting is about to be fundamentally changed for all schools
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:07 pm
With the no eligibility lost for this season, transfers on-demand with no sit out plus the already existing grad transfer rule, it's about to be the Wild West in recruiting.
I would assume this will benefit the major schools, as most rule changes do, but these are uncharted waters and who knows the ultimate affect it will have on recruiting and ultimately on the field.
It will be interesting how schools approach this, since the 25 initial counter rule will still exist.
Potentially a school's overall numbers could be greatly impacted and they could get well below the 85, depending on how many defections they have.
Will be fun to watch.
I would assume this will benefit the major schools, as most rule changes do, but these are uncharted waters and who knows the ultimate affect it will have on recruiting and ultimately on the field.
It will be interesting how schools approach this, since the 25 initial counter rule will still exist.
Potentially a school's overall numbers could be greatly impacted and they could get well below the 85, depending on how many defections they have.
Will be fun to watch.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:10 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I think they’ll have to change the hard 25 rule. Schools will get cornholed by players leaving whenever they want and not being able to sign more players to fill the scholarship void left.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:16 pm to The Pirate King
The 25 limit will still exist for all schools, which will limit potential destinations as well.
We found this out with the current Transfer Portal. A large percentage of players entered, but never found a destination because no schools had spots.
We found this out with the current Transfer Portal. A large percentage of players entered, but never found a destination because no schools had spots.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:18 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
And also Name/Image/Likeness (NIL). No one yet knows the details of this or how this will affect all of college athletics.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:30 pm to The Pirate King
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think they’ll have to change the hard 25 rule. Schools will get cornholed by players leaving whenever they want and not being able to sign more players to fill the scholarship void left.
Honestly I feel like they need a more drastic change.
I think you should drop football scholarships per team from 85 to 65 because at 85 it is making the sport uncompetitive. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. With 65 per team talent will disperse in P5, G5, and FCS.
And the argument that it is taking away opportunities from kids is not true because those 20 scholarships can go towards another sport for a school like men’s soccer that can’t currently be played because of title IX.
I’m as big as a college football fan as anyone but it’s getting very boring in its current format.
ETA: no limit to how many you can sign. Fill your roster.
This post was edited on 10/29/20 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:33 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Wild West in recruiting.
Almost like a meat market...
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:43 pm to RadarTiger
As a G5 fan, I'm not as concerned as most. Yes, our elite players will leave to taking starting jobs at SEC schools when the opportunity presents itself. However, that is maybe one or two players per year at a school like Louisiana Tech. Even if the SEC has 85 scholarships G5 players (starters) are not going to transfer to a P5 just to ride the bench or be a backup. At the same time, G5 programs should be able to land P5 players that don't land the playing time they were looking for.
Ultimately, the transfer rule will lead to more quality G5 teams. Maybe not elite, as the top players will transfer, but as a complete starting unit this will improve schools like Louisiana Tech.
Ultimately, the transfer rule will lead to more quality G5 teams. Maybe not elite, as the top players will transfer, but as a complete starting unit this will improve schools like Louisiana Tech.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 1:57 pm to msutiger
I think they need to do the following:
1. Get rid of the redshirt and give everyone 5 years of playing eligibility. This takes away all the medical and waiver issues. You get 5 years to play 5, that's it. Regardless of injuries, transfers, etc.
2. This would spread the scholarships over 5 years, so reduce the signees to 20, and the total to 80. This would allow 100 signees over 5 years, which accounts for attrition.
You could tweak these numbers, but the basic premise is good.
1. Get rid of the redshirt and give everyone 5 years of playing eligibility. This takes away all the medical and waiver issues. You get 5 years to play 5, that's it. Regardless of injuries, transfers, etc.
2. This would spread the scholarships over 5 years, so reduce the signees to 20, and the total to 80. This would allow 100 signees over 5 years, which accounts for attrition.
You could tweak these numbers, but the basic premise is good.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 2:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
"And also Name/Image/Likeness (NIL). No one yet knows the details of this or how this will affect all of college athletics."
Can see Sage family now, talking to the Marketing Agencies that will represent bama and LSU players, asking them about signing bonus and guaranteed monthly payments.
Can see Sage family now, talking to the Marketing Agencies that will represent bama and LSU players, asking them about signing bonus and guaranteed monthly payments.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 3:31 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The conundrum is for schools like us and Kansas. We are so far below 85 that with the upcoming changes we may never get back.
I agree with keeping the 25 initial counter number but with the caveat that it's looked at again down the road to perhaps eliminate transfers from counting against those, strictly the 85. It's gonna be so wild initially that the 25 number helps reign it in some but down the road they have to enable teams to be able to stay close to the 85 number or there's no sense having it that high. There's no recourse for schools that lose 30+ in a single year to get back. Those losses are many times not the fault of the current coaching staff so I see no need punishing them with lowered numbers they can't make up because of another staffs pitfalls. Is gonna be very interesting to see the strategies of programs. I'd imagine new coaches will use the transfer market more initially to build teams with players of their choosing.
I agree with keeping the 25 initial counter number but with the caveat that it's looked at again down the road to perhaps eliminate transfers from counting against those, strictly the 85. It's gonna be so wild initially that the 25 number helps reign it in some but down the road they have to enable teams to be able to stay close to the 85 number or there's no sense having it that high. There's no recourse for schools that lose 30+ in a single year to get back. Those losses are many times not the fault of the current coaching staff so I see no need punishing them with lowered numbers they can't make up because of another staffs pitfalls. Is gonna be very interesting to see the strategies of programs. I'd imagine new coaches will use the transfer market more initially to build teams with players of their choosing.
Posted on 10/29/20 at 3:44 pm to lsufanva
Your numbers can be built back quickly through signing full classes and redshirting.
25 X 4 = 100 which gives you allow attrition of 3.75 players per year to stay at 85.
25 X 5 = 125 which gives you 7 players per year of attrition.
Of course no one redshirts everyone, so a mixture is best.
A quality PWO program that can add 1 player a year that is scholarship worthy is crucial as well, as these don't count against the 25.
25 X 4 = 100 which gives you allow attrition of 3.75 players per year to stay at 85.
25 X 5 = 125 which gives you 7 players per year of attrition.
Of course no one redshirts everyone, so a mixture is best.
A quality PWO program that can add 1 player a year that is scholarship worthy is crucial as well, as these don't count against the 25.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:21 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I would assume this will benefit the major schools
It's going to cut both ways. Perhaps some guys at G5 who blow up will want to transfer to a P6 program who has a need. Perhaps a lot of 4 stars who are not seeing playing time at P5 programs that stack up elite recruits, will switch to other P5 or G5 programs with the opportunity for more playing time.
Some programs will adapt and have the foresight to keep "recruiting" players already on their rosters plus keep their antennae up for possible defectors from other programs. Obviously they can't "tamper" with another team's players but they can find ways to gauge interest, etc.
It's also going to affect everyone to some degree, good and bad.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 1:38 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The rich will get richer in this system. The elite schools will be like IMG. JRs from mid tier schools will be transferring into starting roles at top tier school to boost draft stock. Players at those schools will have to defend their scholarships.
Posted on 10/30/20 at 2:35 pm to Locoguan0
Rosters will get down to the 60s. Oh wait, that's already LSU.
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