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Question about recruiting and "bag men"
Posted on 7/12/18 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 1:50 pm
It's long been my understanding that paying a recruit or his family to sign with a given school is against NCAA rules. Yet it still happens, at least from what I read on here, not to mention Cam, Leo Lewis, Malik Newman, etc.
My question is that since it's all under the table and there's really no recourse for a bag man who delivers his end of the deal but the kid signs elsewhere, why doesn't this happen more (or does it)?
If I was a top recruit being offered big money by multiple schools, I'd take all the money every school's bag men were willing to give me, then sign with the school I wished to attend knowing they can't do anything about it and their offering money is every bit as unethical as me taking it and signing elsewhere.
Does this happen or is the whole "bag man" thing blown way out of proportion?
My question is that since it's all under the table and there's really no recourse for a bag man who delivers his end of the deal but the kid signs elsewhere, why doesn't this happen more (or does it)?
If I was a top recruit being offered big money by multiple schools, I'd take all the money every school's bag men were willing to give me, then sign with the school I wished to attend knowing they can't do anything about it and their offering money is every bit as unethical as me taking it and signing elsewhere.
Does this happen or is the whole "bag man" thing blown way out of proportion?
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Posted on 7/12/18 at 1:58 pm to Philippines4LSU
Great question. I don't think the NCAA has enough man power to even scratch the surface here. I will say that I'm surprised that more recruits that maybe get the shaft either one way or another doesn't blow the whistle.
It does seem like a tightly run operation when everyone knows what's going on including the NCAA yet does nothing to stop it.
It does seem like a tightly run operation when everyone knows what's going on including the NCAA yet does nothing to stop it.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 2:05 pm to Philippines4LSU
Posted on 7/12/18 at 2:15 pm to lsufan1971
Posted on 7/12/18 at 2:19 pm to Philippines4LSU
It happens all the time. Sometimes payment is simply a way to get/keep a door open.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:06 pm to Philippines4LSU
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My question is that since it's all under the table and there's really no recourse for a bag man who delivers his end of the deal but the kid signs elsewhere, why doesn't this happen more (or does it)?
Eric Dickerson comes to mind.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:33 pm to Philippines4LSU
Sometimes the money or benefits go to a relative or a hs coach. The kid may not even know about it.
One top rule in recruiting, find out who has the kids ear.
One top rule in recruiting, find out who has the kids ear.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:41 pm to Philippines4LSU
quote:
It's long been my understanding that paying a recruit or his family to sign with a given school is against NCAA rules. Yet it still happens, at least from what I read on here, not to mention Cam, Leo Lewis, Malik Newman, etc.
My question is that since it's all under the table and there's really no recourse for a bag man who delivers his end of the deal but the kid signs elsewhere, why doesn't this happen more (or does it)?
If I was a top recruit being offered big money by multiple schools, I'd take all the money every school's bag men were willing to give me, then sign with the school I wished to attend knowing they can't do anything about it and their offering money is every bit as unethical as me taking it and signing elsewhere.
Does this happen or is the whole "bag man" thing blown way out of proportion?
Because most of the "bag men" you speak of are agents or people angling to become said agent and believe it or not they usually cover their asses with signatures on contracts, or keep detailed records enough to get paid in court. We just don't ever hear about it.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:49 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
You could contact Johnny Jones . He has a PHD in "baggin'" . 
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:55 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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Because most of the "bag men" you speak of are agents or people angling to become said agent and believe it or not they usually cover their asses with signatures on contracts, or keep detailed records enough to get paid in court. We just don't ever hear about it.
May be true for hoops but most bagmen in football circles have a tie to the university. They work in the shadows knowing they aren't going to acknowledged for what they do.
The bagmen know that there is a chance the kid could go to another school. There is an understanding that this is all part of the game. They don't rat out the kids or other schools. It's kinda of like detente.
Bama has perfected the payoff. They just don't payoff the kid\parent. They payoff the Aunt, Uncle, sibling etc. It's much cheaper to pay off everyone associated then to risk someone around the kid becoming unhappy, becoming a rat, or poisoning the athlete against the school.
The payoffs most of the time aren't in cash. Cars are the easiest to use. You find the person in the family that has a decent job. They get the loan for the car. Bagman pays the note. Parents get a no show job at some friend of the program as well. When the athlete wants cash it's usually laundered through his\her church.
Also most bagmen aren't the uber rich booster but have connections to them.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 4:57 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
This is an interesting topic. I always imagined being a top 50 HS recruit. I wondered how much money, gifts, payments, and yes, sex, would be offered to me to sign with Alabama or Ohio state.
Let’s face it, all of the top QBs entering college are going to have sex thrown at him. But what if you are offered pussy by the university homecoming queen ? All you have to do is sign with Bama. What if an envelope of cash is found in your grandmothers mailbox 1500 miles away from your parents home. How would the NCAA know about that ?
When you graduate college, you are promised a six figure income for basically interacting with HS recruits or working camps or gyms.
Let’s face it, all of the top QBs entering college are going to have sex thrown at him. But what if you are offered pussy by the university homecoming queen ? All you have to do is sign with Bama. What if an envelope of cash is found in your grandmothers mailbox 1500 miles away from your parents home. How would the NCAA know about that ?
When you graduate college, you are promised a six figure income for basically interacting with HS recruits or working camps or gyms.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 7:52 pm to lsufan1971
I know for a FACT this is how Cam Robinson got his SUV when he signed with Bama, does anyone remember that. Cam signed and then shockingly he shows up to school with a used "I think it was a Humvee, could be wrong can't remember exactly"
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Hey, how'd he get that ride? His uncle bought it. How did his uncle buy it? Paid cash. Paid cash, how'd he do that? shite, we don't know, but here's the receipt where he paid cash, and now y'all ain't got shite. Go tell the NCAA you think we're cheating because this kid's uncle bought him a used Tahoe in cash, you racist.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 8:33 pm to Dudebro2
NCAA hears what it wants to hear on who it does or does not want to hear it on.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 8:35 pm to FreeState
I know of a situation many years ago involving the U of Houston and a basketball player. Kid's dad worked for me. Had his mind made up to go to a smaller school.
All of a sudden his aunt living in Houston buys him a car.
He goes to U of Houston all of a sudden.
All of a sudden his aunt living in Houston buys him a car.
He goes to U of Houston all of a sudden.
Posted on 7/12/18 at 9:44 pm to Lafourche Connection
Here is a another question or scenario. Let's assume Stanley Roberts, who was a BIG TIME recruit back in the Shaq years was payed to come to LSU. Also assume he blew this and his NBA money and is now broke. (I don't know this to be the case, just for arguement's sake). Does LSU have to resume paying him to shut him up about the payments he received years ago? Maybe this is a statute of limitations issue?
Posted on 7/12/18 at 9:49 pm to Philippines4LSU
Bc Tony "2 pops" Marsala will take dem knees out if you do screw the school over, duh
Fact is most schools, major programs do it. They aren't going to bitch about a 20k vehicle or 20k cash, when they have a multi million dollar program operating. Plus, NCAA only sees or hears what it wants. They could shut bama down tomorrow if they wanted. But it's to good for business right now.
Fact is most schools, major programs do it. They aren't going to bitch about a 20k vehicle or 20k cash, when they have a multi million dollar program operating. Plus, NCAA only sees or hears what it wants. They could shut bama down tomorrow if they wanted. But it's to good for business right now.
This post was edited on 7/12/18 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 7/12/18 at 11:15 pm to bstew3006
It happens everywhere, but it is usually done with at least some discretion....the aunt, uncle or cousin suddenly having the cash. Alabama was always the master of it. Since Saban arrived, they have become much more brazen and don't even try to hide it. As long as Emmert is in charge Saban knows he has no worries. He makes it known who he wants and the REC handles the rest.
Posted on 7/13/18 at 7:31 am to lsusa
Donation to their Church or school. Charitable donations aren't NCAA infractions
Posted on 7/13/18 at 7:41 am to VolTiger13
Selective enforcement indeed.
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