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AmazinGrace
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Member since Dec 2013
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OL recruitment vs. development
Right now we have 3* OT/OG Martinez & possibly 3* DL/OT Jackson. Majority of the board is saying we need to finish with 1 or 2 top O lineman. I tend to think it has to do more with development of good solid players.

Take Wisconsin for example, they rarely get 5* or high 4* prospects. They recruit for the most part, high to mid 3* prospects that may need two years of development. But when they step on the field they are ready to play. They are never thrown into the fire, they wait their turn. In the end they always have a very solid O-line with 1st and 2nd round draft picks.

We should not be dependent on true freshman coming in to save our O line. We should have solid upperclassmen starting while our young guys develop. Development is our issue. We have recruited quality O lineman we just haven’t developed them as fast as we need.


Captain Crown
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
It’s on Cregg. He needs to earn his paycheck.


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re: OL recruitment vs. development
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OL recruitment vs. development

Going back and watching games from last season I noticed, as I did during the season, our olinmen are very good blockers. The ability or inability to block was not the main problem with them, it was knowing who to block. Missed assignments were the number one reason for the olin being responsible for fialed plays. There wee a few times and a few, very few, dlinmen that beat our olinemen. Now these guys have a better understanding of blocking schemes and their assignments they will be a whole lot better. As often as the oline missed assignments last season there's no way we should have had a 1000 yard rusher and a 2500 yard plus passer. All the starters from last season are back except 1, and all the backups are back plus some guys that got injured early in the season. I don't get to watch LSU practice so I'm not privy to the development of Wire and Rosenthal. But I'd imagine if O wasn't pleased with the progress and development of these linemen he'd be hitting the oline a lot harder this class.


OU812
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
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It’s on Cregg. He needs to earn his paycheck.


Honestly what has he done to earn it?


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Smell the crawfish
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
Totally agree. I think our OL play this year is the most important piece if we are going to have success on the field. I'm tired of seeing OL not develop to their potential. It's time we put monsters out there that are nasty and just want to maul the opposing players. An Alabama friend of mine recently told me that he felt the key to their 8-game win streak was due to the difference in OL play. He added that when your most talked about OL player is an incoming freshman (referring to Kardell Thomas) your OL can't be that good. He makes a good point!


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Lsujacket66
Member since Dec 2010
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
How to have a consistent great OL:
Sign 5 280-300 lb 6’3 - 6’6 guys who are athletic

Redshirt then, train them, have them ready to play by year 3, and you’ll have consistently good OLs...


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boxcar willie
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
we need to stash away a few OL's every class, put them on the weight and PED program and let them matriculate until their junior years, then bring them out on the field once they have matured into massive specimans. But you need good raw material that has good potential to be nurtured in this way as well.


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mtheob17
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Member since Sep 2009
4455 posts

re: OL recruitment vs. development
Some of if is less coaching vs playing vs SEC type dlines.

Deculas is good example


mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
1601 posts

re: OL recruitment vs. development
The Oline was learning zone blocking. The injuries and constantly changing lineup made that harder. Bama blitzes our zone blocking scheme. Anyway r urging theme


BayouCowboy
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
I think it's safe to say we need to have a very good year for OL play so we can attract some quality guys for the 2021 class because we are running out of spots and options in the 2020 class.


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dstone12
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
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We should not be dependent on true freshman coming in to save our O line



True




We need to put some youth under our current starters so they can develop.

If I had to pick a way to do it, all ol get redshirted and play 4 after that.....avoid all juco unless they can play this year. By the time they sophomores, they’ve got all they need.

Rare cases would be Kardell taking a spot. But getting past chasen and Damian is hard to do. But if he can contribute asa second Stringer in the sec, good.


Uga and bama are getting gluts of 4&5 * guys and putting them in line to back up their other 4&5* guys.

It’s how you win with game manager quarterbacks. If you have real good qbs, you start slaying the competition.
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SammyTiger
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Member since Feb 2009
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
We’ve zone blocked for years.

That’s what Grimes started teaching


LSUjhawk
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Member since Jun 2019
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
Look up zone blocking scheme, I felt like 4 year old learning a stickshift. Did not understand why. It seems like driving in the snow, you have to do the other guys driving for them. Always wondered why those O linemen transferred early under Grimes. Looked up Pittman at Georgia, He prefers big linemen for man blocking, easier sell to recruits. No wonder they have a logjam on the Oline
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ATLTiger
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
We’ve been zone blocking since Stud at least, it didn’t start with Grimes


mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
1601 posts

re: OL recruitment vs. development
Development is key.. Saban has always proven to be able to,coach up and develop players. Rosenthal. Wire present current opportunities

There are several opportunities or external,coaches with footwork and quickness drills for Oline and d line. Don’t know if we use them

There are also explosive/explosion drills for DLine. Jumps with restraints. I do not see the LSU lineman doing box jumps. They probably do. Kind of classic fast twitch stuff. Q Williams for Bama clearly had much better explosion than our Oline. Our DLine hardly ever beat Bama off the ball. Part of,that is Bama knows our plays from tendencies and analysts work at a very very detailed level.


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Datbayoubengal
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Member since Sep 2009
21844 posts

re: OL recruitment vs. development
OL had been good for years before last year's mess. Outside of the first half of 2014 (when we we had a new OL coach install a new blocking scheme in the off-season), we've been pretty damn good there since 2011.

People were always blinded by us getting stuffed by Bama, but that didn't have shite to do with the OL. Bama already has the best front 7 damn near every year and when you can't pass, or misdirect, or spread them out in any way, they just go after you. In 2015 vs LSU, Bama would disguise it by only having 6 in the box, then bring 7 and sometimes 8 guys as soon as the ball was snapped. If you are running right at them, no way in hell are you getting through.

Development is key at the OL position. Getting high ranking OL is good, but the OL is the place where the most 3 stars flourish and go on to be hugely successful in the NFL because they usually just lacked technique and proper diet/nutrition/training.

I'll give Cregg this year because his OL was very green last year and was learning a new scheme IIRC. His OL has experience, even in the 2nd string, so there is no excuse outside a plague of injuries.


AugieDog
LSU Fan
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Member since Feb 2017
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
I have to disagree. I think Deculus would be better at guard Instead of tackle, he’s not quick and mobile enough .


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Penrod
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Member since Jan 2011
10750 posts

re: OL recruitment vs. development
You can't develop crappy players. I have no problem with getting three star guys and developing them. But if that's your plan you better get at least five every year, because at least half your three stars are going to be crappy.

Go back and look at any of our past classes. When you get down to the three stars less than half turn out well. In 2018 we signed Dantrieze Scott, Tae Provens, Zach Sheffer, Dominic Livingston, Nelson Jenkins, Jaray Jenkins, Cole Smith and Cameron Wire as three stars out of high school. Half of them are gone already. I doubt that all four of the remaining ones turn out to be studs. If you're concentrating an entire position group in that range you'd better oversign.


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TigerRagAndrew
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re: OL recruitment vs. development
It absolutely started with Grimes. It has been a problem for years. We need to get rid of the scheme.


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LSUjhawk
LSU Fan
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Jun 2019
55 posts

re: OL recruitment vs. development
Thinking that Jordan Berry with quickness and strength may be an OL project


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