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re: LSU needs quality OL/DL STAT
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:44 pm to saturncube21
Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:44 pm to saturncube21
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Why hasn't Traore officially commuted to LSU?
1) because he's still in JUCO
B) Massachusetts is a hell of a long drive to commute, and then there is still the BR traffic to deal with
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Posted on 9/17/17 at 11:48 pm to arkytiger23
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This coaching staff knows what they're doing and are killing it! This team looks prepared in every aspect just keep getting hit with the worst case scenario every week..
37-7
Agreed, losing by 30 to STATE is a worst case scenario. In our worst year EVER ('92), we went 2-9, but still thanked God for Tulane and State.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 12:19 am to alumni95
I understand it got ugly. Look at the times when we either lost an olineman who in the normal rotation might be in the 2 deep or deeper, or the targeting calls. We had everything go wrong. With no line on each side of the ball that early into the game anyone would be screwed! If it doesn't change a few games in Burn this bitch to the ground but for now let's stick with what's made us so happy about tiger football for the past 6-7 months and not let one horseshite game take it away
Posted on 9/18/17 at 7:26 am to tigerfan4120
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I think the DL will be pretty good next year with Feihoko joining the active roster and Shelvin gaining full eligibility (assuming that is a foregone conclusion, which may be a mistake..), along with the bodies they are bringing in with Nelson, Cotton etc. I certainly think that will potentially become an area of strength.
DL is finally flushing out that bad 2012 haul of lineman. The guys we've recently gotten plush Fehoko will provide a much better defense. Honestly, if Lawrence was playing this game, Miss St wouldn't have done half the rushing they did.
My worry is on the OL. People didn't believe me when I said we'd struggle bad with a bunch of mediocre returning starters, and actual first time starters. Clapp is the only guy that I expected to be ready early. If this year is anything like 2014, we will be A LOT better in the second half of the season running the ball behind the OL, and defending period.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 9:03 am
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:20 am to Datbayoubengal
I agree.
Poor recruiting on both lines for several years now especially the offensive line.
Too many projects.
Too many guards.
If you are going to over recruit any offensive line position it needs to be Tackle not Guard.
A high school tackle can gain weight and move to guard but the move from guard to tackle is much harder.
We still have too many guards on this team.
Recruit nothing but Tackles and a Center for the next couple of years and try to improve the overall line play.
Poor recruiting on both lines for several years now especially the offensive line.
Too many projects.
Too many guards.
If you are going to over recruit any offensive line position it needs to be Tackle not Guard.
A high school tackle can gain weight and move to guard but the move from guard to tackle is much harder.
We still have too many guards on this team.
Recruit nothing but Tackles and a Center for the next couple of years and try to improve the overall line play.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:23 am to wildcat81tiger86
It is ridiculous with the number of oline transfers that we have had that we only have 3 offensive line recruits committed.
And only one is a Tackle and he might take 1 or 2 seasons to be ready for SEC ball.
We need 2 more OT this recruiting cycle.
And only one is a Tackle and he might take 1 or 2 seasons to be ready for SEC ball.
We need 2 more OT this recruiting cycle.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 9:33 am to arkytiger23
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11-1 it's possible
Doubtful
But
I do believe MSU game was more of a fluke than true gauge of this team.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:18 pm to lsusteve1
Exactly, I haven't seen this team play this bad since O took over and all of a sudden everyone wants to fire him?
If it's a consistent thing I would understand but it's hardly a constant for the teams he's put on the field lately. There were tons of mistakes, across the board, top to bottom and it just snow balled, especially when you add in the penalties. They just felt that nothing they did was good enough. At some point they just felt like what's the point, nothing they did was going to work.
They came out in the second half playing better on the DL and then boom more flags start flying. This staff really needs to get through to these guys that flags are the worst thing in a game and if you can play a game without them we would likely win those games. Make them believe that flags are equal to TOs because it's close. They kill momentum, kill drives, take points off the board, keep drives going, gives you terrible field position, gives momentum to the opposing team and gives easy yards/points to the opposing team.
With all that being said I think these refs are holding LSU to a higher standard then any other team which is horse shite. If I were coach O, I would grab a GA to look closely at film to see how big of a gap there is from penalties called on LSU and at what points in the game and the opposing team we are playing. Then I would also have them look at every other SEC game to compare what's being called and not called at what point in the game as compared to LSU. It has to be looked at closely by someone then put the data together and send it off to the league then if the league doesn't do anything about it, send it off to local and national media who give a damn about kids working their tails off only to be treated unfairly. It's not right.
These people need to treat every damn team equally no matter what, that's there frickn jobs. If the foul isn't obvious, doesn't affect the play, or is borderline, every team should get the benefit of the doubt. It's freakn bullshite that some teams are overlooked simply by the refs pre-determined opinion of them or their name.
At the same time though LSU needs to use better technique during the game and NEVER commit the penalty, learn your options if you're getting beat. There are things you can do besides hold. When you're blocking never block in the back or hold the guy, put your body in his way before you hold or block in the back. More emphasis needs to be put on it and when adversity hits this team they need to learn how to fight through it to overcome that adversity. NEVER give in, give up or show weakness to the other team bc they will smell blood and come at you even harder. Time to step up LSU, time to show what your made of. There are plenty more opportunity, let's take full advantage and not take anything lightly. Do everything 110%. Stop self loathing, stop feeling sorry for yourselves, man up, get up, and fight back. GT
If it's a consistent thing I would understand but it's hardly a constant for the teams he's put on the field lately. There were tons of mistakes, across the board, top to bottom and it just snow balled, especially when you add in the penalties. They just felt that nothing they did was good enough. At some point they just felt like what's the point, nothing they did was going to work.
They came out in the second half playing better on the DL and then boom more flags start flying. This staff really needs to get through to these guys that flags are the worst thing in a game and if you can play a game without them we would likely win those games. Make them believe that flags are equal to TOs because it's close. They kill momentum, kill drives, take points off the board, keep drives going, gives you terrible field position, gives momentum to the opposing team and gives easy yards/points to the opposing team.
With all that being said I think these refs are holding LSU to a higher standard then any other team which is horse shite. If I were coach O, I would grab a GA to look closely at film to see how big of a gap there is from penalties called on LSU and at what points in the game and the opposing team we are playing. Then I would also have them look at every other SEC game to compare what's being called and not called at what point in the game as compared to LSU. It has to be looked at closely by someone then put the data together and send it off to the league then if the league doesn't do anything about it, send it off to local and national media who give a damn about kids working their tails off only to be treated unfairly. It's not right.
These people need to treat every damn team equally no matter what, that's there frickn jobs. If the foul isn't obvious, doesn't affect the play, or is borderline, every team should get the benefit of the doubt. It's freakn bullshite that some teams are overlooked simply by the refs pre-determined opinion of them or their name.
At the same time though LSU needs to use better technique during the game and NEVER commit the penalty, learn your options if you're getting beat. There are things you can do besides hold. When you're blocking never block in the back or hold the guy, put your body in his way before you hold or block in the back. More emphasis needs to be put on it and when adversity hits this team they need to learn how to fight through it to overcome that adversity. NEVER give in, give up or show weakness to the other team bc they will smell blood and come at you even harder. Time to step up LSU, time to show what your made of. There are plenty more opportunity, let's take full advantage and not take anything lightly. Do everything 110%. Stop self loathing, stop feeling sorry for yourselves, man up, get up, and fight back. GT
Posted on 9/18/17 at 1:34 pm to BayouBengal99
11-1? I want some of what you are smoking Arkytiger.
This team has serious issues that can't be remedied in season.
Lucky to go 4-4 in SEC and win 8. I think 3-5 and 7-5 more likely.
Or if Injuries mount and O can't handle pressure...full on shite show of a season.
This team has serious issues that can't be remedied in season.
Lucky to go 4-4 in SEC and win 8. I think 3-5 and 7-5 more likely.
Or if Injuries mount and O can't handle pressure...full on shite show of a season.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:04 pm to BayouBengal99
quote:
There are plenty more opportunity, let's take full advantage and not take anything lightly. Do everything 110%. Stop self loathing, stop feeling sorry for yourselves, man up, get up, and fight back. GT
Maybe if I practice screaming at the tv screen and work on my beer drinking mechanics all week In preparation for next Saturday the tigers might be able to turn their season around!!!!!!
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:07 pm to SoloTiger
It was more of the fact we are talented as hell and the team who showed up Saturday night isn't who we are. Obviously I don't think we'll go 11-1 but there's no point of giving up on this team after one loss
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:27 pm to GeauxLSU4
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Fehoko and shelvin will definitely help next year.
That's a lot of beef.
We need them to both be in playing shape (more aiming that at Shelvin).
But we need a bunch more help than that. And need OL baddddly.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:43 pm to TheCaterpillar
Coach o said today they need to hit the juco ranks
Posted on 9/18/17 at 2:54 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Fehoko and shelvin will definitely help next year.
Don't forget the Big Kid out of Ferriday La Dare Rosenthal 6'7" 320
I think he is a OT (Alabama did too which probably why he decomitted from them) but he wants to play DT.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 3:10 pm to SoloTiger
Dude this can be fixed in a couple of weeks. They didn't play like this against BYU or we would have lost that game as well.
Most importantly we need to cut the penalties out, then play smart, and physical, with great technique. Once the DL depth comes back, talking about Herron, Lawrence, and Alexander we will be better up front.
Canada should have taken advantage of the middle of the field right behind the linebackers with quick passes, screens, ect. The play calling needs have more creativity. When you bust 2 or 3 big runs for first downs, in the SEC with a new set of downs you don't run on first down, you run PA with short throws to your backs or TEs, FBs ect.
Once we get going on the drive with power runs and short throws mixed, then you start hitting throws a little further down field, and over the middle. Canada MUST make Etling look for different WRs when the pressure is on besides Chark. The WRs coach has to teach these guys to read the defense and if they see pressure is coming or that the DL is putting pressure on the OL, then they have to get their damn heads around quickly and Etling needs to be able to call out hot reads for more quick hitting throws.
I don't remember and didn't look at a replay to know if State was getting pressure with just 4 or if they brought pressure but if it was just 4 then the OL has to step up and stop that. No other way around that. You have to make a team come with more players so you can take advantage of that. If their is nothing we can do about it and our OL sucks then Canada needs to game plan for that. Get the DL and LBrs going one way and make sure Etling runs the fake good enough to have a guy on the other side open.
They just need to slow things down on offense, play smarter and learn how to set up the defense with your body language. I didn't see any screens or backside screens where you fake the screen one way and have your TEs and WRs blocking for you on the other side. There were so many different things we could and should have done. After your successful with a play, you use that play to fool the defense and have players run down field for bigger plays. They just weren't on their A game and Canada has to know that these defense's are fast and sound defense's he's going to face so the game plan has to be more creative then what we saw. Penalties really hurt us as well and stopped our continuity on offense so that could have played a part but there were still things we could have done that wasn't done. I've seen Canada call much better games. I'm not sure if he's just not confident in the players but if so he better start showing confidence in more players.
Those big WRs are a huge mismatch to most teams throw the ball up high and let them go get it. Gotta show some balls and run Guice efficiently. Gotta work on everything in the next couple of games so I would run uptempo and score as many points as I could to get as many reps as possible.
Most importantly we need to cut the penalties out, then play smart, and physical, with great technique. Once the DL depth comes back, talking about Herron, Lawrence, and Alexander we will be better up front.
Canada should have taken advantage of the middle of the field right behind the linebackers with quick passes, screens, ect. The play calling needs have more creativity. When you bust 2 or 3 big runs for first downs, in the SEC with a new set of downs you don't run on first down, you run PA with short throws to your backs or TEs, FBs ect.
Once we get going on the drive with power runs and short throws mixed, then you start hitting throws a little further down field, and over the middle. Canada MUST make Etling look for different WRs when the pressure is on besides Chark. The WRs coach has to teach these guys to read the defense and if they see pressure is coming or that the DL is putting pressure on the OL, then they have to get their damn heads around quickly and Etling needs to be able to call out hot reads for more quick hitting throws.
I don't remember and didn't look at a replay to know if State was getting pressure with just 4 or if they brought pressure but if it was just 4 then the OL has to step up and stop that. No other way around that. You have to make a team come with more players so you can take advantage of that. If their is nothing we can do about it and our OL sucks then Canada needs to game plan for that. Get the DL and LBrs going one way and make sure Etling runs the fake good enough to have a guy on the other side open.
They just need to slow things down on offense, play smarter and learn how to set up the defense with your body language. I didn't see any screens or backside screens where you fake the screen one way and have your TEs and WRs blocking for you on the other side. There were so many different things we could and should have done. After your successful with a play, you use that play to fool the defense and have players run down field for bigger plays. They just weren't on their A game and Canada has to know that these defense's are fast and sound defense's he's going to face so the game plan has to be more creative then what we saw. Penalties really hurt us as well and stopped our continuity on offense so that could have played a part but there were still things we could have done that wasn't done. I've seen Canada call much better games. I'm not sure if he's just not confident in the players but if so he better start showing confidence in more players.
Those big WRs are a huge mismatch to most teams throw the ball up high and let them go get it. Gotta show some balls and run Guice efficiently. Gotta work on everything in the next couple of games so I would run uptempo and score as many points as I could to get as many reps as possible.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:19 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
Yep we need depth there at DE and at the MLB spot. I know we have some guys committed but they seem to be more outside guys who are more quick then they are big run stoppers. We simply need to get bigger up the middle, and that's all there is to it really.
We need more quality depth at the safety position behind the freshman and at DB, QB, and OT. If O can shore up these areas and add quality depth behind them LSU will be just fine. I think LSU has to put more emphasis on smarter players at the same time. We can't always end up with the 4* players who have no smarts, awareness, and that drive to be great. Ususally the smarter guys have a tendency to get better in their game.
Juco ranks have been good to the SEC at places like State, Ole Miss, and even Bama. It's time LSU goes after these big time guys as well, specifically the ones who have high character and have learned from what ever was holding them down to begin with.
I'm also not sure if making the players who commit penalties run, instead of work on their short comings with that extra time, is the way to go. Make those guys perform extra reps in practice, perfect high energy reps, so that you simulate game speed best. I just don't know if I would be spending time on running instead of perfecting their craft or mistakes they made. It absolutely needs to be emphasized, as TOs were, which seems to be working, so whatever you did for TOs, do the same for penalties.
Penalties hurt very similar to how TOs do so that needs to be made clear to cut it the frick out. What ever you do, play your assignment with 110% effort, don't be lazy, trust your teammate to do his job, and what ever you do DON'T commit a penalty. If you're unsure, simply slow the guy down with your body instead of your limbs, put freakn boxing gloves on these guys so that it's impossible to use their hands or fingered. They have to punch, and it's muscle memory so should have an immediate impact.
Think outside the damn box LSU. Do what ever it takes, get our own props out there on the sideline or get some bad arse tiger paw or tiger teeth helmet stickers for great plays like, TFL, TOs, great blocks, 3rd down conversions, TDs, tip balls, strips, ect. Give them extra incentive to make these great plays as well as making them pay for bad ones. Make it fun for these guys, it's college, they are boys, they are working hard, reward them with something tangible. Time to get creative Orgeron, NEVER squeeze the team without also giving them room to grow. Show them you care by thinking of them, with these little things that make a huge difference. GT
We need more quality depth at the safety position behind the freshman and at DB, QB, and OT. If O can shore up these areas and add quality depth behind them LSU will be just fine. I think LSU has to put more emphasis on smarter players at the same time. We can't always end up with the 4* players who have no smarts, awareness, and that drive to be great. Ususally the smarter guys have a tendency to get better in their game.
Juco ranks have been good to the SEC at places like State, Ole Miss, and even Bama. It's time LSU goes after these big time guys as well, specifically the ones who have high character and have learned from what ever was holding them down to begin with.
I'm also not sure if making the players who commit penalties run, instead of work on their short comings with that extra time, is the way to go. Make those guys perform extra reps in practice, perfect high energy reps, so that you simulate game speed best. I just don't know if I would be spending time on running instead of perfecting their craft or mistakes they made. It absolutely needs to be emphasized, as TOs were, which seems to be working, so whatever you did for TOs, do the same for penalties.
Penalties hurt very similar to how TOs do so that needs to be made clear to cut it the frick out. What ever you do, play your assignment with 110% effort, don't be lazy, trust your teammate to do his job, and what ever you do DON'T commit a penalty. If you're unsure, simply slow the guy down with your body instead of your limbs, put freakn boxing gloves on these guys so that it's impossible to use their hands or fingered. They have to punch, and it's muscle memory so should have an immediate impact.
Think outside the damn box LSU. Do what ever it takes, get our own props out there on the sideline or get some bad arse tiger paw or tiger teeth helmet stickers for great plays like, TFL, TOs, great blocks, 3rd down conversions, TDs, tip balls, strips, ect. Give them extra incentive to make these great plays as well as making them pay for bad ones. Make it fun for these guys, it's college, they are boys, they are working hard, reward them with something tangible. Time to get creative Orgeron, NEVER squeeze the team without also giving them room to grow. Show them you care by thinking of them, with these little things that make a huge difference. GT
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:08 pm to GeauxLSU4
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Fehoko and shelvin will definitely help next year. I don't think we will miss Herron, Gilmore, or lacatoure much. We need grown men on both sides of the ball like we used to have. That's where we are consistently trailing the top teams in this league. JUCO guys will help bridge the gap.
Yep. A DL with (a healthy) Lawrence, Fehoko, Alexander/Shelvin will be pretty dang good.
Replacing Key and Thompson might be tough. But K'Laivon is getting quality time. White will still be there. Either Philips or Taylor will probably supplant Donnie before the season is over. He's just not panning out as the next great "secret" linebacker.
Like everyone is saying.. OL is going to be the big issue. We might even be a little less attractive because there won't be a good back (unless CEH really surprises) to make the OL look good to OL recruits.
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