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re: Live Oak Football
Posted on 10/16/08 at 6:47 pm to Livingston25
Posted on 10/16/08 at 6:47 pm to Livingston25
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Pope John Paul and Albany (two games generally won) to Central and Ponchatoula
Pope John Paul is not as bad of a team as your trying to make them out to be and usually make the playoffs. Ponchatula is an average 5A team at best so I wouldn't consider that an "upgrade." The Albany/Central change was legit and should have been done years ago.
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The Zachary game tomorrow night is scary for Live Oak and it's defense, but they "should" be ok the following two weeks against Glen Oaks and Belaire.
The Live Oak defense is weak. The secondary has been pathetic this year and they can't wrap up when they tackle. The offense has been pretty good up to this point. As far as Live Oak's district play is concerned, it's always been weak and they generally lose a lot, if not all of their district games. Last year was a success, but look that the talent on the other teams last year. That district was, and still is, the weakest it's been in many years.
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Schmitt is gone now, but left the program much better than when he found it....a freshman team is now in place, so 25-35 kids a year will now play through the program
Schmitt did leave it better than he found it. I can't speak for the freshmen team (except that they got blown out by Albany) but I know for a fact they JV coaches don't do shite at the games. I watched them stand there during halftime and not a single coach went and talked to the players, and there was barley an effort to coach them during the game. It was pathetic and really doesn't help the future of this program when the coaches don't actually do what they're there to do: coach.
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the weight room has been doubled in size
The finally got new equipment, but they put all that nice stuff into one of, if not THE crappiest building on that campus. They should have done it right and built a new weightroom, but instead they take forever to build a damn concession stand that cost more than it should have.
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Coach Bebee is a good man and will stay, which will also help. Bozeman was there for his kid, who got injured and missed his entire Sr. season and Coach Schmitt was there, because Katrina cost him his job at Buras, just until he could get a job back in Colorado, where he and his wife wanted to be.
Bebee is a nice enough guy, but from what I've seen and heard, he's not all he's cracked up to be. I won't go any further than that, but there's more than meets the eye with that guy and I'm sure you don't know the whole story on that one. I'd rather not say much more b/c personally, I don't really care for him that much right now.
You are right about Bozeman; the school f'ed that up and should've hired Sid Edwards when he was available. As for Schmitt; they guy could coach, but he was a total arse behind the scenes. He rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, especially many of the backers, and I wasn't sad at all to see him go. Again, he was a hell of a coach but I doubt he would have lasted too much longer if he had stayed, which he didn't want to do anyway b/c he was already looking for new jobs before the season even started.
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Coach Bebee also will publicize his players and promote them to colleges...for example, the QB and RB have there stats in the Advocate today because someone with the team took the time to report them. Publicizing the team and players has always lacked. There are two former players right now playing at Belhaven.
You can promote them all you want, but they actually have the talent to play on the next level. I have yet to see that on this year's team except for the QB. The RB fumbles too damn much, but he is good in open space. If I remember right, stats were reported to the Advocate last year for Colletti so that's not new. And the league Belhaven is in is basically upper level high school football. It's good if you really love football and want to play it, but it's not a major deal. I know one of those players and I've talked to him and he has similar thoughts. You really need to get the players to camps and get some better highlight tapes if you want to promote them better and get them noticed.
I like your attitude about Live Oak football, but you need to take of the rose colored glass and realize that the program is still a long way away from being a winning team every year. The program itself has potential, but I'm not as convinced as you are that things are as great as you seem to think they are.
This post was edited on 10/17/08 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on 10/16/08 at 9:49 pm to BamaMan45
You obviously know the program and are a good supporter and I agree with 80% of what you say. We aren't that far apart. Read my thoughts below. Say, there was a good LB/FB at Live Oak from about 03-05 os so who wore 45. He was tough and finally started at FB his senior year I think.
PJP: Live Oak did beat them for about 5 yrs in a row, except the second time they played in 2005 (played them twice because of Katrina). That was classic. LO had won the first game, then got whacked in the second because PJP made adjustments and LO didn't. I think it is an upgrade from a decent 2A team to a mediocre 5A team like Ponchatoula. BIG difference between 2A and 5A. Schmitt's intentions were right.
Defense: I agree with you about the defense. Pathetic. Several better players quit during the summer i think. District is weak, but 2 wins last year (the Istrouma win was an upset) and you need to start somewhere.
Schmitt: you are right about his inability to deal with folks. I'm glad the football coach is no linger the AD. I think that is too much when you're trying to build a program.
Current Coaching: I don't know Bebee's history, but he serves in the military, I think he'll stay and he seems well liked. It is terrible and inexcusable for JV and frosh coaches not to be dedicated and constantly coaching. That's terrible!
Belhaven: This is one of about 60 NAIA programs and gives a lot of kids a chance to play sports for a few more years. I think that's a great thing. Kids deserve to be promoted to the small schools. It doesn't have to be LSU, SEC, Big School or don't play at all. There are small schools all over and it takes good coaches to help promote some of their D2, D3 and NAIA talent. Most coaches aren't good at it.
Recruiting: I agree completely. These kids need to get to NIKE, Rivals, etc. camps in the spring and summer, plus several individual school and combine camps where many schools coaches are present. 10 -15 camps in the summer if necessary.
I am expressing some wishful thinking perhaps, but a new high school is being built, there will be two feeder schools soon and probably 40 frosh a year playing, more people are moving in to the area and I think that within 5-10 yrs, this can be a program that averages 7-8 wins a year and that would be reasonable. Also, Ms. McRae supports the hiring of teachers who can coach and she wants to win. Thanks for reading. Our long entries are probably peeing others off.
PJP: Live Oak did beat them for about 5 yrs in a row, except the second time they played in 2005 (played them twice because of Katrina). That was classic. LO had won the first game, then got whacked in the second because PJP made adjustments and LO didn't. I think it is an upgrade from a decent 2A team to a mediocre 5A team like Ponchatoula. BIG difference between 2A and 5A. Schmitt's intentions were right.
Defense: I agree with you about the defense. Pathetic. Several better players quit during the summer i think. District is weak, but 2 wins last year (the Istrouma win was an upset) and you need to start somewhere.
Schmitt: you are right about his inability to deal with folks. I'm glad the football coach is no linger the AD. I think that is too much when you're trying to build a program.
Current Coaching: I don't know Bebee's history, but he serves in the military, I think he'll stay and he seems well liked. It is terrible and inexcusable for JV and frosh coaches not to be dedicated and constantly coaching. That's terrible!
Belhaven: This is one of about 60 NAIA programs and gives a lot of kids a chance to play sports for a few more years. I think that's a great thing. Kids deserve to be promoted to the small schools. It doesn't have to be LSU, SEC, Big School or don't play at all. There are small schools all over and it takes good coaches to help promote some of their D2, D3 and NAIA talent. Most coaches aren't good at it.
Recruiting: I agree completely. These kids need to get to NIKE, Rivals, etc. camps in the spring and summer, plus several individual school and combine camps where many schools coaches are present. 10 -15 camps in the summer if necessary.
I am expressing some wishful thinking perhaps, but a new high school is being built, there will be two feeder schools soon and probably 40 frosh a year playing, more people are moving in to the area and I think that within 5-10 yrs, this can be a program that averages 7-8 wins a year and that would be reasonable. Also, Ms. McRae supports the hiring of teachers who can coach and she wants to win. Thanks for reading. Our long entries are probably peeing others off.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 9:54 pm to BamaMan45
Bama45: By the way, nice pic. I don't recognize her from Walker, LO or Denham?
Posted on 10/16/08 at 10:07 pm to Livingston25
livingston25, did/do you play for live oak?
Posted on 10/16/08 at 11:26 pm to Livingston25
This is gonna be VERY long, but those that have a problem with it can just get over it and not read it. 
Are you a parent, former player??? Oh, and thanks for the compliment. 
PJP: There were a couple starters injuried for the second PJP game in 05. I can't remember too much of that game b/c I went out eary with a back injury but I know I wasn't the only starter out. They got a key interception I think and you are correct, there were no adjustments made on our part. Then again, that happened a lot in the Bozeman yeas.
PJP did have a stout team that year though. I think they made it to the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs. Ponchatula has gotten MUCH better the last 2-3 years, and I agree with you about the 2A/5A comparison. Looking at it a little closer, I will agree with you that it was a good move. It certainly doesn't hurt in the power rankings either.
Defense: If they could just work on the tackling and get just marginally better in the secondary, it wouldn't be too bad on defense. You are right, some of the starters from last year's team quit and they didn't help things either. It doesn't help that they aren't the strongest team around, but they have gotten better. But (and maybe this is just me, I'm not sure) I tend to think that today's players aren't not as big as the players we had when I was there. It's not too much of a difference, but when I compare this team's offensive and defensive line to the team's I was on and the one's before that, they just seem smaller to me. What do you think?
And yes, the district is weak, much weaker than in previous years. I was in Bama during the Istrouma game but I was getting text updates after every score and was pretty proud of them for winning that one last year. It's a shame the power ratings screwed them over.
Coaching: I've meet Bebee a couple times. He's always been pretty nice to me. But, being close to the program and having a brother currently on the team and talking to a lot of his friends who also play, there is a completely different Bebee that comes out when he coaches and I don't agree with some of the things his said and done. But I will leave it at that. He's done a decent job so far and I will give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
Like I said, I haven't seen the freshmen coaches, but I know from experience that they are the same ones from last year and I have no complaints with them. They actually take the time to coach the players and stay on them. It was the JV "coaches" that shouldn't have been out there at all who upset me. I know they were play Lee, but to sit there and watch them treat the game like a glorified practice was sickening and unfair to those kids. It sad to know that I had to go tell my brother what to watch for when he was playing LB b/c none of the coaches were telling him anything. He told me after the game that at the end of the 3rd, his position coach finally gave him some advice on what to do....and surprise, it was the same advice I game him a whole quarter earlier.
I missed the JV game yesterday against Zachary yesterday, but I heard the coaching was about the same..almost non-existant.
Recruiting and College: I can see your point about the Belhaven thing. I have seen kids being pushed there though just b/c it has football and they think it's their only choice and it's not and that's probably what upsets me the most. Is it a bad option? No, not at all. But, it can get expensive and there are better options in state, especially with the TOPS program we have. This directly relates to recruiting and promoting the players. If this is done correctly, more of the players can save money and stay in state AND play football. It's a "win-win" scenario, especially with the economy the way it is. But, if the player can get a full ride and play football at an out-of-state institute b/c they were promoted correctly, by all means they should take it. I've complained for a long time about this aspect of Live Oak football. I even tried to help a certain RB on team last year try to setup a Rivals account, but by then it was too late. Hopefully they can get to more camps and take advantage of them b/c they are VERY useful for players getting noticed.
I'm happy the new school is being built. I hope a new weight room is part of that to put the new equipment in. I loved the weight room and working out and it was probably my favorite place at Live Oak, but that building is crappy and I wish they would've just built a new one. I think this program can be a good team year in and year out. The support from the parents and the Backers is there. The kids need to actually believe in it and focus on getting better. I was one of those Live Oak players who really didn't care about the school a lot when I was there. I really regret that these days and I try to support them as much as I can now, especially with a brother playing. I want to see them do good and I think they deserve it. I think I may sound like I'm being a little too hard on the program with some of my views, but like you, I can see the potential is there and I think they really can be a good team.
quote:Well, technically speaking it I actually started at the end of my junior year, but it was only like the last 3 games so I don't really count that year.
Say, there was a good LB/FB at Live Oak from about 03-05 os so who wore 45. He was tough and finally started at FB his senior year I think.
Are you a parent, former player??? Oh, and thanks for the compliment. PJP: There were a couple starters injuried for the second PJP game in 05. I can't remember too much of that game b/c I went out eary with a back injury but I know I wasn't the only starter out. They got a key interception I think and you are correct, there were no adjustments made on our part. Then again, that happened a lot in the Bozeman yeas.
PJP did have a stout team that year though. I think they made it to the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs. Ponchatula has gotten MUCH better the last 2-3 years, and I agree with you about the 2A/5A comparison. Looking at it a little closer, I will agree with you that it was a good move. It certainly doesn't hurt in the power rankings either. Defense: If they could just work on the tackling and get just marginally better in the secondary, it wouldn't be too bad on defense. You are right, some of the starters from last year's team quit and they didn't help things either. It doesn't help that they aren't the strongest team around, but they have gotten better. But (and maybe this is just me, I'm not sure) I tend to think that today's players aren't not as big as the players we had when I was there. It's not too much of a difference, but when I compare this team's offensive and defensive line to the team's I was on and the one's before that, they just seem smaller to me. What do you think?
And yes, the district is weak, much weaker than in previous years. I was in Bama during the Istrouma game but I was getting text updates after every score and was pretty proud of them for winning that one last year. It's a shame the power ratings screwed them over.
Coaching: I've meet Bebee a couple times. He's always been pretty nice to me. But, being close to the program and having a brother currently on the team and talking to a lot of his friends who also play, there is a completely different Bebee that comes out when he coaches and I don't agree with some of the things his said and done. But I will leave it at that. He's done a decent job so far and I will give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
Like I said, I haven't seen the freshmen coaches, but I know from experience that they are the same ones from last year and I have no complaints with them. They actually take the time to coach the players and stay on them. It was the JV "coaches" that shouldn't have been out there at all who upset me. I know they were play Lee, but to sit there and watch them treat the game like a glorified practice was sickening and unfair to those kids. It sad to know that I had to go tell my brother what to watch for when he was playing LB b/c none of the coaches were telling him anything. He told me after the game that at the end of the 3rd, his position coach finally gave him some advice on what to do....and surprise, it was the same advice I game him a whole quarter earlier.
I missed the JV game yesterday against Zachary yesterday, but I heard the coaching was about the same..almost non-existant.
Recruiting and College: I can see your point about the Belhaven thing. I have seen kids being pushed there though just b/c it has football and they think it's their only choice and it's not and that's probably what upsets me the most. Is it a bad option? No, not at all. But, it can get expensive and there are better options in state, especially with the TOPS program we have. This directly relates to recruiting and promoting the players. If this is done correctly, more of the players can save money and stay in state AND play football. It's a "win-win" scenario, especially with the economy the way it is. But, if the player can get a full ride and play football at an out-of-state institute b/c they were promoted correctly, by all means they should take it. I've complained for a long time about this aspect of Live Oak football. I even tried to help a certain RB on team last year try to setup a Rivals account, but by then it was too late. Hopefully they can get to more camps and take advantage of them b/c they are VERY useful for players getting noticed.
I'm happy the new school is being built. I hope a new weight room is part of that to put the new equipment in. I loved the weight room and working out and it was probably my favorite place at Live Oak, but that building is crappy and I wish they would've just built a new one. I think this program can be a good team year in and year out. The support from the parents and the Backers is there. The kids need to actually believe in it and focus on getting better. I was one of those Live Oak players who really didn't care about the school a lot when I was there. I really regret that these days and I try to support them as much as I can now, especially with a brother playing. I want to see them do good and I think they deserve it. I think I may sound like I'm being a little too hard on the program with some of my views, but like you, I can see the potential is there and I think they really can be a good team.
Posted on 10/16/08 at 11:37 pm to BamaMan45
I graduated from Live Oak in 2005, and it is great seeing the Eagles finally getting a little publicity, and its about time we got coaches in the program that actually care about the kids on this team, and want to improve.
Posted on 10/17/08 at 1:12 am to CodyPasbons
My brother in law coaches at Live Oak...After hearing him explain their situation, the coaching staff there is very good but its more of a lack of care from the players themselves...He expresses how sad it is to see a player with talent but lack of heart...not to mention the guys are pretty small
I have yet to see them play first hand, but I will be at the Zachary game tomm.
I have yet to see them play first hand, but I will be at the Zachary game tomm.
This post was edited on 10/17/08 at 1:13 am
Posted on 10/17/08 at 1:32 am to George Costanza
nm
This post was edited on 10/17/08 at 2:36 am
Posted on 10/17/08 at 9:27 am to thatguy
no, i played elsewhere, but know plenty of lo folks and players.
Posted on 10/17/08 at 9:38 am to BamaMan45
BamaMan45: You're a good man and were a good player. The D line is very small this year and I agree with you on overall player size now. Lo's D is very small. Zachary is very tested with the schedule they have played. We need to slow them down, but their running game is GOOD! LO made no mistakes vs. Istrouma last year and that's what it takes. It's a shame that the Coaches didn't get those boys on Rivals last year. I think Bebee will be different....I hope.
Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:24 am to Livingston25
did you ever coach or something at live oak?
Posted on 10/17/08 at 10:38 am to thatguy
Your thinking about districts is all well and good, but Woodlawn is dropping down.
Posted on 10/18/08 at 8:30 am to thatguy
No, but I'm close to what is going on.
Posted on 10/18/08 at 8:39 am to George Costanza
Your brother-in-law is wrong about the kids on the team, and as the Zachary game showed, there is plenty of heart from those kids. They have had 4 head coaches during the last 6 seasons and this years SR's have had three. LO was deep in Zachary territory on two drives in the 4th qtr and had the drives not ended in fumbles, after cathes that netted 1st down yardage, LO would have won. Zac's defense was on it's heals and LO's offense was balanced. Give zach credit as they caused about 4 fumbles but putting their hats hard right on the ball and there RB's and a couple lapses on D cost us. But these kids have lifted and worked-out year round, some play other sports and have many things going on....the kids who didn't quit, who are playing a very physical sport, have plenty of heart. Pure heart! I assume your brother-in-law is more a bystander than a coach, although he may be a great person. In my view, Bebee, Mafouz, etc, are good coaches.
Posted on 10/18/08 at 9:12 am to Livingston25
O yea...my blaw who has been with them through all the summer workouts, every practice, camp, and every other football related activity with LO wouldnt know anything about the kids themselves...Are u a coach or an active affliate with the team? Or do you just watch the games from the bleachers...you seem like your the latter of the two so how would you know more about the kids than my blaw?
Posted on 10/18/08 at 9:33 am to George Costanza
Trust me....I know the kids have heart. I also know there are heart/dedication/etc. issues with SOME of the kids, but not with most. Not with those taking the licks. I know some key contributors on defense quit too...which is frustrating to everyone. If you blaw was there all summer, then I'll give him some cred. The emotion you display also gives him cred. Coaches don't get paid enough for the time they spend out there and your blaw probably has a family, but these boys work hard, get hurt and deserve stability in coaching. I think they will have it now. I like the picture of George and we probably both have issues in hanging out on this blog, but I'll keep doing it. Why are we doing this on a Sat morning?? I would love to tell you who I am and can next year, but I really have been very close to the program and the school for the last 7 yrs. I have been around football and athletics my whole life and have missed 2 LO games in 7 yrs. Thanks!
Posted on 10/18/08 at 9:42 am to George Costanza
Give me your blaws initials and I'll rough him up a little or describe his size...I can probably tell by that. Of course, if he's real big, I'll just keep saying a quiet hello to him.
Posted on 10/18/08 at 9:54 am to Livingston25
First I would like to make a point that I am in no way downing LO and their football program, I have met a few of the coaches through my b-law and they all are good people, I wish them and the program the best, but my assumptions were made from hearing my b-law talk about some of the kids on the team (he also teaches a lot of them) and their attitudes in general...He commends alot of them on having heart, but it does seem like there are a lot of attitude problems within this team, mainly the upper classmen
Posted on 10/18/08 at 9:57 am to George Costanza
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Give me your blaws initials and I'll rough him up a little or describe his size...I can probably tell by that. Of course, if he's real big, I'll just keep saying a quiet hello to him.
And I am assuming this is a joke
Posted on 10/18/08 at 10:18 am to George Costanza
Of course! I know Bebee, Mahfouz, Collier, Baker, Duhe, Briggs, Weiss and Sandifer. They are all great guys. The fellows new this year I don't really know. They, as well as the kids, deserve to go at least 5 and 4 this year and they will. They should go 6 and 3 and make the playoffs. They should have beat St. Michael's and could have beat ponch and zac (but didn't). Getting all the kids to bond, to play as one, to put a few egos aside, to really come together, has alway been a problem. The summer camp was a real attempt to foster bonding. The best RB in the school isn't playing and several very good def and two-way players quit. Football is rough and there is no shame in not playing, some kids have to work, for others the emotional and physical investment is too much....but it still stinks for those out there busting it who could use the help. Again, why am I doing this on a Sat morning?? I am vested and want the team, the kids and the coaches to win. Of course I'm joking.....Paul or Chris, and probably others, would kick my butt!
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