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Is the 2018 recruiting class reaching disaster level in retrospect?
Posted on 3/14/19 at 8:39 am
Posted on 3/14/19 at 8:39 am
it wasn't highly regarded but "filled gaps"
people told us to trust the coaching staff evals
well the attrition one year out is simply incredible. how many guys are transferring out? 4 so far?
people told us to trust the coaching staff evals
well the attrition one year out is simply incredible. how many guys are transferring out? 4 so far?
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Posted on 3/14/19 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
The bottom part of the class (high school kids) is looking really bad, not going to lie. Bottom 4 high school kids in that class:
NT Dominic Livinston - transferred
TE Zach Sheffer - transferred
RB Tae Provens - unlikely to play much if any at all here
OLB/TE Dantrieze Scott - transferred
Compare that to 2017's which at least included Jefferson and Carter who play a ton. They also got Cushenberry in the '16 class at the bottom of that class.
NT Dominic Livinston - transferred
TE Zach Sheffer - transferred
RB Tae Provens - unlikely to play much if any at all here
OLB/TE Dantrieze Scott - transferred
Compare that to 2017's which at least included Jefferson and Carter who play a ton. They also got Cushenberry in the '16 class at the bottom of that class.
This post was edited on 3/14/19 at 8:55 am
Posted on 3/14/19 at 8:55 am to SlowFlowPro
It was a let down before they even stepped on campus and it's looking even worse now.
It will probably go down as the worst recruiting class post 2000.
Defensive Line depth is going to be a major problem in 2020
It will probably go down as the worst recruiting class post 2000.
Defensive Line depth is going to be a major problem in 2020
Posted on 3/14/19 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Attrition happens in every class, it’s inherent to the system. Would you rather it be happening near the top or bottom? In a higher rated class? Would you prefer guys that got their shot but aren’t going to contribute stick around for three more years just to wait and see? The nature of the beast is you take a lot of guys and play the odds. Some low rated guys will hit, most will wash out. This particular class just happened to have more of them due to the coaching change.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
There has to be attrition every year. Thus far, it is mostly the "bottom" end of the 2018 class is leaving.
The real problem is that it is D-lineman leaving and LSU's 2019 didn't do much to restock the shelves. That's on Orgeron directly. That is HIS position and his ONLY area of expertise. If he can't sign great lineman, then his importance to this program continues to be diminished
The real problem is that it is D-lineman leaving and LSU's 2019 didn't do much to restock the shelves. That's on Orgeron directly. That is HIS position and his ONLY area of expertise. If he can't sign great lineman, then his importance to this program continues to be diminished
Posted on 3/14/19 at 9:05 am to thunderbird1100
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OLB/TE Dantrieze Scott - transferred
I know ratings wise he was near the bottom of the class, but he was one of the first guys we took in that class. He was the prime "trust the evals" guy.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 9:19 am to ProjectP2294
Scott was/is a 6'5" 245lb athletic freak show with a 4 star teammate who was widely considered a great OT prospect in a year where we had numbers to spare. He's the definition of a low risk high reward flier. After a year he hasn't taken the next step from ath to football player so he's being replaced by Desmond Little as the next candidate to hit on the Arden Key roulette wheel of potential. Every team has these kinds of guys at various positions in every class. I'm having a hard time seeing what you guys think the alternative is, besides signing 25 sure fire first rounders every year.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 9:26 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Scott was/is a 6'5" 245lb athletic freak show with a 4 star teammate who was widely considered a great OT prospect in a year where we had numbers to spare. He's the definition of a low risk high reward flier. After a year he hasn't taken the next step from ath to football player so he's being replaced by Desmond Little as the next candidate to hit on the Arden Key roulette wheel of potential. Every team has these kinds of guys at various positions in every class. I'm having a hard time seeing what you guys think the alternative is, besides signing 25 sure fire first rounders every year.
And those guys, like Little, and many others across college football, are taken on signing day when you miss on someone else. The difference with Scott was that he was an early commit.
And when people talked about it being a sign of bad things to come, everyone just said "trust the coaches, they know talent better than you."
Posted on 3/14/19 at 9:37 am to ProjectP2294
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And those guys, like Little, and many others across college football, are taken on signing day when you miss on someone else. The difference with Scott was that he was an early commit.
That's just not true. Bama has a three star corner committed for 20' right now, like most teams do. You're also shooing away the fact that securing Scott early was instrumental in getting Rosenthal, a guy everyone in the SEC wanted.
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And when people talked about it being a sign of bad things to come, everyone just said "trust the coaches, they know talent better than you."
Everyone, to a man, said this? Come on dude. Most reasonable people could see Scott was a flier with potential. He wasn't the first and he won't be the last, nor will he define a class that likely contains two early draft picks at WR and Joe Burrow. This thread is pure hyperbole, plain and simple.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Football team is in the best position it’s been since possibly our last title.. who cares
Posted on 3/14/19 at 10:24 am to SlowFlowPro
The guys that are leaving were just fillers anyway. They were career backups and second stringers. Look at their offers, most of them had very underwhelming offers.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 10:37 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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. Every team has these kinds of guys at various positions in every class. I'm having a hard time seeing what you guys think the alternative is, besides signing 25 sure fire first rounders every year.
the problem is that our class wasn't ranked very well and if you do that, these "eval" guys MUST hit very often
if 2019 has some attrition from the lower guys in a year, it won't be as big of a deal b/c that was an elite class with elite guys
2018 wasn't. if we don't hit on these project guys it goes from mediocre to bad. if our elite don't become elite, it's a disaster
Posted on 3/14/19 at 10:58 am to thunderbird1100
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The bottom part of the class (high school kids) is looking really bad, not going to lie. Bottom 4 high school kids in that class:
NT Dominic Livinston - transferred
TE Zach Sheffer - transferred
RB Tae Provens - unlikely to play much if any at all here
OLB/TE Dantrieze Scott - transferred
Transfers will be far more common now IMO. But the 2018 class doesn't seem to have any hidden gems.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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2018 wasn't. if we don't hit on these project guys it goes from mediocre to bad. if our elite don't become elite, it's a disaster
No one is asserting that taking a 2018 class every year is sustainable. It was a down year ratings wise due to a combination of factors. Still, calling it a disaster is hyperbolic, if for no other reason than the players are rising sophomores and we have no idea how much production will come out of it. You HAVE to average losing 3-4 guys every class just to stay under 85, and 2018 is at 4. You have already gotten significant contributions from Chase, Marshall, Joseph, Baskerville, and Hines. That’s on par with some of our elite classes in terms of true freshmen. Burrow has stabilized and changed the culture of the most important position on the field that we’ve traditionally struggled at. The hand wringing over losing an H-back and a couple other projects is unwarranted.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 11:24 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Burrow
bruh. just stop with this.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 11:24 am to SlowFlowPro
Not really worried now since we can use the transfer portal. We will pick up better players than our “worst players.” Once we are able to start doing it again in 2 years.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 11:28 am to tigerskin
Would it be fair to say there is a highlight on the number of transfers due to having a small senior class AND some key juniors returning instead of going pro?
Posted on 3/14/19 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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well the attrition one year out is simply incredible. how many guys are transferring out? 4 so far?
You realize we HAD to get rid of at least 4 guys to reach the 85 limit? Who cares what class they came from. Why would it be better if they were spread out over 3 different recruiting classes? You process the least promising players and give their spots to better recruits, that is how the game has to be played.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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bruh. just stop with this.
What class would you put Burrow in besides the one he used an initial counter in?
I'll wait.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 11:55 am to dcw7g
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at least 4 guys
Where are you guys getting 4? The number on NSD was 8 or 9 (depending on Taylor).
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