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ESPN radio was talking about recruiting rankings and the top 6 according to 247
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:32 pm
I think it was Coach Neuheisel
he said Bama has two coaching staffs, and "that's how they dominate recruiting"
1 staff can focus on the existing players and the other staff is for admin...player evaluations, reach out, marketing, hosting families, private tour of campus and so on..
He noted other big programs are catching on, but only the ones that can actually afford it.
He said Kirby is doing so well because he's doing exactly what Saban implemented...2 staffs...NFL franchise type of staffing
He described the problem as the "rich get richer"...and no one is willing to do anything about it...because the NCAA can't really say "you can't employ people to do these tasks"
Also said, notice how Bama has changed it's strategy with early signing day.. loaded with commitments, will not get left hanging at the alter.
This Bama dominance thing needs to come to an end...It's beyond fatigue at this point... it's no longer amateur sports...they have created an unfair advantage to get the best players...this needs to be addressed...otherwise Bama will be in Championship games ever year until Saban retires....that's not interesting, that's not good for CFB
he said Bama has two coaching staffs, and "that's how they dominate recruiting"
1 staff can focus on the existing players and the other staff is for admin...player evaluations, reach out, marketing, hosting families, private tour of campus and so on..
He noted other big programs are catching on, but only the ones that can actually afford it.
He said Kirby is doing so well because he's doing exactly what Saban implemented...2 staffs...NFL franchise type of staffing
He described the problem as the "rich get richer"...and no one is willing to do anything about it...because the NCAA can't really say "you can't employ people to do these tasks"
Also said, notice how Bama has changed it's strategy with early signing day.. loaded with commitments, will not get left hanging at the alter.
This Bama dominance thing needs to come to an end...It's beyond fatigue at this point... it's no longer amateur sports...they have created an unfair advantage to get the best players...this needs to be addressed...otherwise Bama will be in Championship games ever year until Saban retires....that's not interesting, that's not good for CFB
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:20 pm
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:36 pm to ApexTiger
Well beat them or does as the romans do
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:41 pm to ApexTiger
Well, the fricking NCAA needs to step in and stop it, that is why there are other rules in place to make it somewhat even (scholly limits etc.).
The problem is, Emmert and Saban are buds, so he won't do anything against him. Just like the SEC won't do anything that hurts Alabama.
The problem is, Emmert and Saban are buds, so he won't do anything against him. Just like the SEC won't do anything that hurts Alabama.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:42 pm to ApexTiger
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This Bama dominance thing needs to come to an end...It's beyond fatigue at this point... it's no longer amateur sports...they have created an unfair advantage to get the best players..
frick that pussy arse mentality. Im so tired of hearing this shite from our pussy arse fan base. If a loophole is clearly being exploited by Bama and it's out there, then shame the frick on us for not playing ball.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:45 pm to dnm3305
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frick that pussy arse mentality. Im so tired of hearing this shite from our pussy arse fan base. If a loophole is clearly being exploited by Bama and it's out there, then shame the frick on us for not playing ball.
Watch how fast the SEC and/or NCAA puts a stop to it if any other school does it on the same level as Alabama. You are kidding yourself if you think there is more than 1 or 2 other schools in the country that could get away with what that school does.
Actually, to stop it, we need to find a school willing to fall on the sword to force it to be stopped. If not, then they get to dominate for a little while.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:50 pm to 33inNC
Shadow staffs aren't illegal. Georgia does it exactly the same way and the NCAA isn't scrambling to stop them. Ohio state is similar. LSU is playing catch up, but we are catching up.
And to respond to the previous poster saying college football is unfair: it's been that way since the beginning, and LSU is one of the few schools who benefits from the status quo.
And to respond to the previous poster saying college football is unfair: it's been that way since the beginning, and LSU is one of the few schools who benefits from the status quo.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:51 pm to 33inNC
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Well, the fricking NCAA needs to step in and stop it
Stop what, exactly? You really want the NCAA to legislate how many employees an athletic department is allowed to have? This is really fricking dumb.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 12:52 pm to 33inNC
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Watch how fast the SEC and/or NCAA puts a stop to it if any other school does it on the same level as Alabama. You are kidding yourself if you think there is more than 1 or 2 other schools in the country that could get away with what that school does.
Truth. Look how fast they shut down jim harbaugh’s satellite camp loophole.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:07 pm to ApexTiger
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Thanks Peej
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:20 pm to RATeamWannabe
Sad thing is you wasted all that time quoting that...petty much
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:31 pm to dnm3305
7th title game in 11 seasons...
And you're mad that I'm fed up with it "just beat them" you say!!!
Okay
Have you seen their latest recruiting class?
O-29
Do you think we're gaining ground on them.
And you're mad that I'm fed up with it "just beat them" you say!!!
Okay
Have you seen their latest recruiting class?
O-29
Do you think we're gaining ground on them.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:37 pm to ApexTiger
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...they have created an unfair advantage to get the best players.
Everything you mentioned is perfectly legal within the parameters of the NCAA's rules so how is that unfair? Other schools do it too. You are really bringing out the pussy in you. Players want to win championships and are willing to play special teams for 2 years to do that. There's nothing you can do about it. They can be beaten on the field and on the recruiting trail. They finished 6th last year. They just have the best coach who gets the most out of his best players. That's a recipe for championships.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:38 pm to ApexTiger
Apex you are right with everything you said, most importantly it’s not good for college football! But unfortunately there really isn’t much that can be done! If you want to be the best you have to beat the best and until people can do that these kids want to play for championships and at Bama at this point you are guaranteed that!
Bama and now UGA are setting the bar and it is up to us to go and reach that bar because Bama and UGA aren’t going to lower the bar to help anyone
Bama and now UGA are setting the bar and it is up to us to go and reach that bar because Bama and UGA aren’t going to lower the bar to help anyone
Posted on 12/12/18 at 1:53 pm to Howyouluhdat
Maybe, just maybe, if players were paid market value schools like Alabama could not afford to pay two entire coaching staffs.
The bullshite here isn't that Alabama is exploiting a flawed system. It is that Butch Davis makes more money from college football than any actual player.
The bullshite here isn't that Alabama is exploiting a flawed system. It is that Butch Davis makes more money from college football than any actual player.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:01 pm to bulletprooftiger
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flawed system
Still waiting for someone to tell me exactly what's flawed with the system.
Are we going to start telling athletic departments how many people they can hire? We're going to put headcount limits on athletic departments? We're going to regulate the number of people in the marketing office? There are already regulations regarding who is allowed to coach and interact with players, so what exactly is the problem here?
I think I saw that in the past year, LSU has nearly doubled it's support staff, so it's not like we're not at least trying to catch up.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:05 pm to ApexTiger
I’ve noticed the two staff model a couple of months ago simply by looking at the number of coaches Saban employs. Saban has 39 coaches under him whereas coach O has 15.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:06 pm to dnm3305
quote:Preach brotha
frick that pussy arse mentality. Im so tired of hearing this shite from our pussy arse fan base. If a loophole is clearly being exploited by Bama and it's out there, then shame the frick on us for not playing ball.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:15 pm to Howyouluhdat
You say I'm being a puss, I'm dishing reality with a mix frustration.
Maybe you missed the point Bama is beating everyone?
He has 39 coaches under him, O has 15
So more than double...
And you say "just got to man up and beat them"
We have a great class, and we're still losing ground in the trenches.
It sucks to know the likelihood of the next 3 or 4 years...
Defeatist attitude?
Well, 7 title games in 11 years and they seem to only get better...
Its insane...
And move the SEC office out of Alabama...70 years is enough.
Am I being a puss?
I don't like being on an unlevel playing Fields...and told by our own fans "deal with it, man up and cheat"
Maybe you missed the point Bama is beating everyone?
He has 39 coaches under him, O has 15
So more than double...
And you say "just got to man up and beat them"
We have a great class, and we're still losing ground in the trenches.
It sucks to know the likelihood of the next 3 or 4 years...
Defeatist attitude?
Well, 7 title games in 11 years and they seem to only get better...
Its insane...
And move the SEC office out of Alabama...70 years is enough.
Am I being a puss?
I don't like being on an unlevel playing Fields...and told by our own fans "deal with it, man up and cheat"
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:21 pm to whitefoot
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Still waiting for someone to tell me exactly what's flawed with the system.
I think I explained the flaw in the system. Athletic Departments are flush with case because they do not have to pay their most valuable produces (the players). That is a flaw. That is why Alabama has a shadow staff and Clemson has a two story slide in its Football facility. Alabama is spending its extra money more wisely than anyone else. That is what I meant by taking advantage of a flawed system.
Again, what Alabama is doing isnt unfair to LSU; it is unfair to the players who people pay to watch play.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:23 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Everything you mentioned is perfectly legal within the parameters of the NCAA's rules so how is that unfair?
how many Athletic Directors are comfortable with a shadow staff when the NCAA hasn't really addressed it?
Legally it might be ok, but does that make it right?
11 coaches is the limit for a reason...
Saban now has 39 freaking coaches?
My god is worse than I thought...that's more than 3 staffs!!!!!!!!!!!!
3!!!!!
You tell me how this is good for college football if every program can not also have 39 coaches on staff?
I know there is an unfair advantage with the big 5 as it is, but Alabama is distancing themselves from everyone in CFB...
Saban is innovative...but dang...39 coaches? What are we doing? what's the end game here for College Football?
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