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re: Efton Reid...
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:01 am to Chalkywhite84
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:01 am to Chalkywhite84
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Gaines is not shooting close to 40% from 3
I was stating a fact by saying he shot 44% from 3 his last year of high school. I never said he's going to shoot that in college.
The point is he's not incapable of shooting the 3 ball.
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:02 am to Lester Earl
Lol just wow
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:03 am to Lester Earl
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Being good at \=\ “being centered around” though
If you are a good shooting team, that opens everything up.
In 19-20 LSU shot 47% from the field (#1 in SEC and #17 overall) That same season they also shot 33% from three and were ranked 206 in 3 pointers attempted per game. They also averaged 81ppg which was 4th in the nation.
In 18-19 LSU shot 46% from the field. That same season they also shot 32% from three and were ranked 230 in 3 pointers attempted per game. They also averaged 80ppg which was 15th in the nation.
In BOTH seasons they were top 12 in the nation in offensive efficiency. That, despite the fact the neither took, nor made 3's at a high rate.
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Creating shots off the pass statistically lends itself to easier buckets & better shots. LSU has gone away from that & it looks to be more of the same this year.
In 2019 LSU ranked 311 in the nation in assists per made FG; In 2020 LSU ranked 314 in the nation in assists per made FG; In 2021 LSU ranked 338 in the nation in assists per made FG. Yet, 2021 was their highest offensive efficiency rating of all three years. LSU hasn't "gone away from" creating shots of the pass. The NEVER have relied on that under Wade.
We get it. Your schtick is to play the constant contrarian. Yet, most of your opinions are NEVER rooted in any kind of evidentiary basis. In Wade's 4 years at LSU the offense (despite not being "aesthetically pleasing") has been tremendous. Over the past 3 season only THREE teams have ranked in the KenPom top 15 in offensive efficiency all three years: Gonzaga, LSU, Iowa. Over that same period LSU is third in the nation in offensive efficiency. ONLY Gonzaga has averaged more ppg than LSU in that 3 year period. And that is with them routinely playin 16 games in a conference where they completely overmatch everyone.
The REALITY is despite all the ridiculous pissing and moaning about the offense LSU has consistently been one of the VERY BEST offensive teams in the country under Wade. They simply have not lost games because of a lack of three point shooting or non-reliance on assists to generate made FG's.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:03 am to Lester Earl
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Basketball is pretty basic when you break it down. LSU, as Wade has constructed the team recently, is not beating teams that are equally as athletic, but create easier, higher percentage shots like Gonzaga & Baylor both did this year.
The way LSU plays is conducive to streakiness. You can win a lot games that way with the raw talent Wade recruits. Not sure you can win the game, though.
Let me put this way then.
On January 18, Kansas went 10 of 19 from 3 against Baylor.
On February 27, Kansas went 3 of 16 from 3 against Baylor.
I'll let you tell me which time Kansas beat Baylor. This is why it's not as simple as "We just need to shoot the 3 better to beat these teams".
The #1 thing, by FAR we need to improve, is on the defensive end. It's not even close. We can easily beat teams like Gonzaga and Baylor while not shooting the 3 ball well so long as we play some defense.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 11:06 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:04 am to BLyonsTiger
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get you might not like the style of basketball, but the offense is still very efficient and has won us a lot of games. Improvement on defense is what takes us to the next level. The offense is just fine.
This team is going to have like 85% roster turnover. 4 new starters & like 7-8 new rotation pieces.
You’re confusing what I am saying as if I dislike the pieces. I don’t. But they are not the same & there is some stuff that needs to be worked out. You can’t just sit here and say the offense is fine
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
You can absolutely play the percentages and say a Will Wade coached team’s offense will be fine. All you are doing is looking at raw shooting percentages when players didn’t even play here to say they can’t and won’t be able to knock down shots. How is that any different? As a matter of fact you could make a strong argument that your prediction is even more volatile
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 11:15 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:14 am to thunderbird1100
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Let me put this way then.
On January 18, Kansas went 10 of 19 from 3 against Baylor.
On February 27, Kansas went 3 of 16 from 3 against Baylor.
Idk, tell me what Baylor shot as a team. Field, 3pt, & FT. Basketball is simple but you can’t tell anything from one component.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:18 am to Lester Earl
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dk, tell me what Baylor shot as a team. Field, 3pt, & FT. Basketball is simple but you can’t tell anything from one component.
Thats exactly his point, nimrod!
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:19 am to Lester Earl
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Idk, tell me what Baylor shot as a team
Which was exactly my point. We need to get better DEFENSIVELY first and foremost. Getting better from 3 doesnt matter if we continue to play lazy or poor defense.
We dont need ot shoot the 3 ball better to beat those teams, again Kansas beat Baylor no problem making THREE 3 pointers last year. They shut their offense down to beat them. They didnt go out hit 14 of 30 3's to beat them.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:22 am to Alt26
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In Wade's 4 years at LSU the offense (despite not being "aesthetically pleasing") has been tremendous. Over the past 3 season only THREE teams have ranked in the KenPom top 15 in offensive efficiency all three years: Gonzaga, LSU, Iowa. Over that same period LSU is third in the nation in offensive efficiency.
And they have never been a threat to make any postseason noise because of it.
You want the defense to improve, but that directly affects the way his offense works. Am I the only one that listens to Wade’s talk?? Pressure them on Offense offense offense. Run. Baskets. Be multiple.
The defense is never going to be outstanding if you hang your hat on that philosophy.
It’s also prone to streakiness. You depend on scoring off the dribble all the time, you’re going to die by it. And LSU will always be capped because of it.
Surely Mr stat guy has C&S numbers vs off the dribble & pull up.
You’re telling LSU couldn’t have had a better offense if cam Thomas & smart made the extra pass every once in a while? Are you taking an awkward fading shot over 2 defenders by Thomas or Darius Days wide open for a 3 in the corner? Gtfoutta here man.
It’s fun but it’s capped. It can be efficient but still flawed. Comprehensive stats like that can very easily become weighted off one metric. Do you want balance or do you want your eggs in 1 basket? I know what I want
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 11:23 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:25 am to Lester Earl
This is the very definition of hijacking a thread
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:26 am to Lester Earl
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You want the defense to improve, but that directly affects the way his offense works.
Does it? Or do we just not have the right personnel.
Our defense was pretty good, at least good enough, back in 2018-2019, due to having a legit rim protector. It was notably better than any other year Wade has been here. That was with a 5'9-5'10 almost all offensive guard playing back then as well who didnt exactly help our defensive numbers compared to having a few trees by comparison at guard.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:26 am to thunderbird1100
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Which was exactly my point. We need to get better DEFENSIVELY first and foremost. Getting better from 3 doesnt matter if we continue to play lazy or poor defense.
No that is exactly my point.
Here I’ll post the rest for you
Kansas
51fg
18-26 FTA
Baylor 34fg %
6-16 FT
I want to play better defense too. This all isn’t exclusive.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 11:26 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:27 am to TexasTiger24
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11am Tomorrow
Will Wade has done it again folks.
Any actual updates on this in this thread that is supposedly focused on this topic?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:27 am to thunderbird1100
Can we all just ignore the tard that is Lester and move on?
For Chrissake, he's a petulant idiot that won't ever shut up so just stop
For Chrissake, he's a petulant idiot that won't ever shut up so just stop
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:28 am to Lester Earl
There are more aspects to basketball than 3-point% and defense. Yes, I've listened to WW. He talks a lot about offensive and defensive rebounds, and turnovers. Limit your opponents opportunities, and increase your own opportunities. Those things will have a much bigger impact on the outcome than increase 3-pointers by a couple percent.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:28 am to rds dc
12 central
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:30 am to Lester Earl
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No that is exactly my point.
Your point was we need to shoot from 3 better. Everyone else's point is not really, we just need to play better defense (which is way more improvable).
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Here I’ll post the rest for you
I know exactly what it was beforehand, I'm the one that brought it up to begin with. The point is play some defense, and you can beat those teams. Kansas hit 3 threes to beat Baylor, they didnt need to shoot the 3 ball.
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I want to play better defense too.
It's the main thing we can easily improve to better the team. What's more realistic, getting a rim protector to drastically improve the defense or hitting 1 more 3 per game with the shots we take to become one of the best 3 point teams in the entire country?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 11:42 am to thunderbird1100
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getting a rim protector to drastically improve the defense or hitting 1 more 3 per game with the shots we take to become one of the best 3 point teams in the entire country?
They should never not have a rim protector.
Agree or disagree
I’m not trying to be a smartass or dodge your question but I mean that is kind of a given.
As a general philosophy I would love to trade some skill(shooting/passing & yes defense) & IQ for athleticism. But hey he has his prototypes. It is what it is at this point
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 11:50 am
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