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re: Bama has 7 DL committments. We have 1.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:27 pm to Howyouluhdat
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:27 pm to Howyouluhdat
Dang man. You got it all figured out.
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Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:42 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Remind me, who was playing QB for Clemson again?
Watson.
The point still stands - it can be done without an overly talented OL. Auburn has done it too.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:44 pm to whitefoot
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Dang man. You got it all figured out.
Just letting you know what you said was absurd. I'll say it again,there's zero excuse not to sign 4-5 lineman (on both sides)every recruiting cycle. Since they are so hard to project out of high school you never know what you will be left with and have to have options. That is a fact. Any coach worth a shite will tell you that.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:44 pm to husslemane
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Not saying we don't need lineman, but this is correct.
Exactly. We need to get better along the lines, but this myth that you need an excellent OL and DL to beat Alabama is false. That being said, of course it would help.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:48 pm to Howyouluhdat
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Just letting you know what you said was absurd
Your melt is absurd.
Is this class finished?
If we miss on all our DL targets for this class, are there other ways to bolster the defensive line for the 2020 season?
Just settle down and quit acting like such a pussy. By no means will this class be a "disaster" and it addresses our top 3 needs (RB, QB and CB).
Posted on 12/12/18 at 2:56 pm to slackster
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Exactly. We need to get better along the lines, but this myth that you need an excellent OL and DL to beat Alabama is false. That being said, of course it would help.
It's not a myth at all. Alabama has lost 9 games in the last 8 seasons. NINE!!! 12 in the last 10. You aren't beating Alabama unless you have either a good OL & DL or a Heisman trophy caliber QB play. Deshaun Watson, Cam Newton, Johnny Manziel, LSU's D, Trevor Knight, Kick 6 , Cordale Jones,. All of those teams had good OL or DL play. Some both. I think you get the point. Most had tremendous QB play. With that comes good OL to give the QB time to do what they need to
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:00 pm to whitefoot
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If we miss on all our DL targets for this class, are there other ways to bolster the defensive line for the 2020 season?
I don't think you understand that if you miss on DL or OL by short signing it instantly becomes a need in the next class and so on. You get it ?
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:06 pm to Howyouluhdat
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All of those teams had good OL or DL play. Some both. I think you get the point. Most had tremendous QB play. With that comes good OL to give the QB time to do what they need to
You have to be strong at one or the other, I don't disagree.
My point was you don't need to be strong at both, even though it obviously helps.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:14 pm to slackster
With O being a dline coach, our NFL success, and aranda being the best DC, why can't we land d-lineman?
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:20 pm to Howyouluhdat
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It's not a myth at all. Alabama has lost 9 games in the last 8 seasons. NINE!!! 12 in the last 10. You aren't beating Alabama unless you have either a good OL & DL or a Heisman trophy caliber QB play. Deshaun Watson, Cam Newton, Johnny Manziel, LSU's D, Trevor Knight, Kick 6 , Cordale Jones,. All of those teams had good OL or DL play. Some both. I think you get the point. Most had tremendous QB play. With that comes good OL to give the QB time to do what they need to
In '15, OM scored 43 pts and beat 'em with Chad Kelly. He was good, but not as the others (and rejected by us in favor of BH and AJ). OM had maybe one OL that we would have recruited (Tunsil) and he was suspended for the Bama game.
Point being, OM was successful on offense, won, and did it with neither a great QB nor OL.
IMO, Trevor Knight is not usually in the same conversation with the other QBs listed here.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:21 pm to AlwysATgr
OM had an imaginative offense. something LSU hasn't had in years.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:38 pm to bencoleman
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So exactly how does this effect recruiting on the defensive line?
How is the media calling Steve a failed experiment supposed to help recruiting. I would hope that they would be more responsible than that.
W.r.t. the "negative, local media," I was simply pointing out the local media has not been negative. I don't see media as a factor in recruiting. IF the media wanted to go "negative," they have the perfect opportunity (E as OC) but refuse to pursue it.
But the real concern with E as OC is that it makes every claim to 'winning championships' ring hollow. So if that's a factor in recruiting, then it's off the table. I know it. CFB fans all over know it. HS HCs know it. And their players know it.
I would think there are a lot of factors that get weighted when going through the recruiting process (proximity, position coach, HC, getting to the next lvl, early playing time, championship prospects, etc).
To make my point from a different angle using Sopsher as a case study, do you think he would entertain going to Bama if knew there was only a 1% chance of ever playing for a championship vs coming to LSU with a 99% chance at some point he would play for a championship?
Maybe - Saban has established himself as one of the all-time greats. So even if he was fading, I can see where some would still want to play for him.
The opportunity to play for championships is central at Bama. With E as OC, it's not even on the radar.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 3:57 pm to 1999
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OM had an imaginative offense.
Ole Miss' "imaginative" offense in the seasons they beat Alabama also got shut out against Arkansas, scored 7 against us, scored 3 against TCU, lost to Memphis, and lost back to back games against 6-6 and 7-5 Arkansas teams.
But let's gloss over all those colossal failures, because they beat Alabama twice.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:24 pm to whitefoot
Posted on 12/12/18 at 4:39 pm to whitefoot
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Ole Miss' "imaginative" offense in the seasons they beat Alabama also got shut out against Arkansas, scored 7 against us, scored 3 against TCU, lost to Memphis, and lost back to back games against 6-6 and 7-5 Arkansas teams.
But let's gloss over all those colossal failures, because they beat Alabama twice.
This isn't in even a remote sense representative of OM on offense in '15 or '16.
Beyond that, our outliers are the good games.
Back to the matter at hand, it would be helpful when recruiting against Bama to tell recruits they could be the difference maker. As long as E is OC, no player is the difference maker whatever side of the ball.
And don't blame me, I'm for fixing the problem and competing with Bama.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:34 pm to Manswers
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:47 pm to texastigerr
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And this is why we have an 8 game losing streak against them It's not QB, it's not running back, it's not linebackers or Defensive backfield. It's none of that. It's because LSU has forgotten what great coaches know. Jimmy Johnson said it Bill Parcels has said it. You build championship teams from the inside out. Not from the outside in. It's all about the offensive and defensive lines. We stopped matching up on the lines after the 21-0 debacle in the Dome. It's not even about having one super star on the line. It's about having studs across the line with depth and studs right behind them.
You would think a former D line coach as a head coach would know this, but it is his dream job.
Posted on 12/12/18 at 6:50 pm to bayou85
THIS is the way Saban kills his competition. Overloads his recruiting at positions of need for others. Then most of the kids that were conned end up with restricted transfers to non-SEC schools. He ruined many a young mans life like this.
This post was edited on 12/12/18 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 12/13/18 at 4:48 am to PinevilleTiger
dat's how he the crimson one rolls...
Posted on 12/13/18 at 10:54 am to Manswers
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And Bama is recruiting others? If they pull Sopsher and maybe one other, when do all of the current commitments think they're going to play?
It really is nuts that they keep going there in droves. It’s not like LSU and other programs aren’t getting kids to the NFL too.
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