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MikeTheTiger58
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
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What exactly is the threshold for a 5th star? I notice the 34th overall player is a 5 star with score of 0.9834

I think by signing day they will only have 32 to match the first round picks in the NFL draft.
This initial listing (rivals finally posted their junior rankings) is a little weird.
LSU has had a number of recruits fall out of the 5* range as they continue to work the list including several from the 2021 class.


LSUstephen17
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
34 - 5* players in 2022. I’ve never seen that many


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MikeTheTiger58
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
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Yea this is dumb... they need to expand the system or allow for more 5* players IF the class deserves that many 5*s. It’s ignorant to believe that some classes aren’t more loaded than others therefore would have more 5*s or less in some classes.

247 openly discusses ( in podcasts ) that they model their ranking after the NFL draft. The 5 stars are the 32 first round picks. The 4 stars try to encompass anyone they think will get picked.
There are problems with this. Most teams will tell you that they have between 10 and 20 players with first round grades in each draft. These do not coincide and since the teams don't publish them, you can maybe guess that there are maybe 30 or so players that some team has given a first round grade.
So you are correct that 32 is mighty arbitrary.
The second part of your analysis seems to acknowledge that ratings focus upon physical attributes while true success is a combination of physical attributes and "heart". LSU is calling it "character" these days, but it is the qualities you are mentioning like work ethic, determination, drive, team spirit, etc.
I think that the rating services as well as the NFL teams have a real problem because they can not put heart (or character) into their spreadsheets. The NFL will red flag a player for character, but they have a hard time evaluating it on the positive side. Old scouts tend to say things like "he is a real football guy", but the analytics people can not measure it like height, weight, or speed.
I would just blow this off, but I listen to a lot of NFL related podcasts. Even when discussing free agency or second contracts, I hear draft order and recruiting rankings mentioned when the player has years of actual NFL performance to evaluate. So it does follow a player and can impact his success for years.


Penrod
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How the hell can you rate someone one ten thousandth of a point less than the other and say that one is a five star while the other is a four star. It doesn't make much sense.

How do they decide the National Merit Semifinalists? How do they decide the Olympic Medalists? How do they decide the winner of the 100 meter dash? WTF do you mean by "It doesn't make sense"?


SofaKingTrill
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
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How do they decide the National Merit Semifinalists? How do they decide the Olympic Medalists? How do they decide the winner of the 100 meter dash? WTF do you mean by "It doesn't make sense"?




Are you just trying to act like a smart arse or are you intellectually inept? The point I was making was regarding the player rating (0.9834 vs 0.9833). One recruit is rated one ten thousandth of a point less than the other which doesn't make much sense because I don't know how its easy to justify a difference between one ten thousandth a point. What makes less sense is that the one ten thousandth of a point qualifies one player as a five star and the other a four star. Thanks for listening and being a smart ass. You earned your recruiting board points for the week.


lsufanva
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
The 32 set mark for 5* is what makes the star system meaningless imo. Just like scout use to limit 4* to the top 300. Every given year is not equal. Give a kid a star rating based on what you see and evaluate not because of an arbitrary number. It's a disservice and pretty much sums up that those sites are nothing more than educated guesses for entertainment purposes. I appreciate what they do love the conversation the rankings bring but they shouldn't be taken too seriously.


Mantard
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
Kendrick Law just got bumped way up. Ranked 104 overall and slight LSU lean.

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The Tiger322
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
Why slight?


Mantard
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Why slight?


Because he won’t sign for another two years. Most would probably say a heavy lean towards LSU.


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Joe Mantegna
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
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Walker Howard is nearly a 5 star.


He'll get there eventually


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Tigerpride18
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
I would hope so,but there isn't much precedent for this to happen with an lsu qb commit .the ones that were, in the past,weren't borderline.


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smash williams
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
It will be interesting to see how aggressive they get in this class. It really could be one for the ages, especially at DL, DB, and RB.


lsufanva
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
Hope they get super aggressive with the kids that are no brainers and instate. Get them locked down or set the stage for it. Really will be a special class imo.


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olgoi khorkhoi
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
it’s a subjective ranking and they have to draw a line somewhere. No need to analyze it any deeper than that.


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JKChesterton
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
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I think by signing day they will only have 32 to match the first round picks in the NFL draft.
This initial listing (rivals finally posted their junior rankings) is a little weird.
LSU has had a number of recruits fall out of the 5* range as they continue to work the list including several from the 2021 class.



I think your correct. the 5 stars mirror the 32 NFL first round picks. The Top 250-300 players, the 4 stars mirror the 2nd to 7th round NFL draft (255 players are drafted each year). So your high 4 stars are like 2nd rounder, next set your 3rd rounders, etc. and those last 45 4-stars you can kind of view as those high-quality or priority Free agents who get an NFL contract and do make NFL teams.


Indiana Tiger
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
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I think your correct. the 5 stars mirror the 32 NFL first round picks. The Top 250-300 players, the 4 stars mirror the 2nd to 7th round NFL draft (255 players are drafted each year). So your high 4 stars are like 2nd rounder, next set your 3rd rounders, etc. and those last 45 4-stars you can kind of view as those high-quality or priority Free agents who get an NFL contract and do make NFL teams.

This may be true for 247's own rankings, but not the composite, which is what all this bitching is about. In less time than it takes to make your post, you can see that the composite is a line in the sand that you are either across or not. In '20, they had 31; 34 in '19; and 29 in '18.


JKChesterton
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Well, it depends on the ranking, I don't follow recruiting services like I use to, but traditionally the 5-stars mirror the 1st round, not exactly maybe, but relate to projected 1st round picks. 4-stars are rated by potential to be a starter in the NFL, how many years, make an NFL team.

In fact it has been 6 years since I last paid for what was then rivals, which I think has the Rivals 250 which is in-line with The NFL draft which is 255 picks. The 247 rankings are pretty much framed relative to the NFL draft. No need to get pissed at me about it.


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MikeTheTiger58
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re: 247 has now fully updated 2022 rankings
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The 32 set mark for 5* is what makes the star system meaningless imo.

I would love to see what the real NFL team 1st round grades look like. I have heard that some teams may have a few as 10 and as many as 20 in a given year. I would love to know how much read disagreement there is between the teams.
I mean, Seattle seems to have a completely different ranking system. The commonly take someone that is not "generally" considered to be in the top 50.


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BigB0882
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You’re very last sentence says everything you need to know. They are KIDS. Can’t fault them for being a bit flaky or not having been the hardest worker. They are still coming into their own. Talent should be the main factor and the coaches and recruiting teams can focus on the other factors to decide who is a lock and who is a not.


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