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2022 is the year we need the full 85 (81)updated OP is way wrong.

Posted on 1/11/22 at 6:59 am
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
29959 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 6:59 am
OP is wrong and should be called out for it. We have 80 now. e

I will never understand why folks, here, are saying that we don’t need the full 85* (see below) scholarship limit. This is the year that we need the full 85.

You can’t just add transfers and stay at about 72-75 players and hope they pan out. You need to add another transfer with that transfer and find out which one plays the best at LSU.

For instance;
If you add Eric Reed and Mekhi Garner because we are woefully low at cb but we end up with say, 5 functional cornerbacks, you don’t call it quits because you say “nah, we are fine at cb now”. You may wish we were able to get the full 85.

That is fool-hardy. One of the two may be homesick by august or simply cannot play at an lsu level. Then you’re back to getting thrashed by a hapless KSU because you have three cornerbacks. (Don’t forget you’ll have other transfers and opt outs)

THIS is the most important year to get to 85*. (81)

*totally understood that our 25+7 won’t afford us that opportunity. But we keep reading here that:
1. We don’t even play 85
2. We can be fine with 72.

Wrong.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 7:45 am
Posted by Magician2
Member since Oct 2015
14553 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:07 am to
The same people are saying we don't need 5* or out of state kids to win lol.

You NEED top 5 classes and these 5* blue chip athletes.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
29959 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:18 am to
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The same people are saying we don't need 5* or out of state kids to win lol. You NEED top 5 classes and these 5* blue chip athletes
that actually explains this better.

Because we have proof that we got lucky that Mashburn sat way behind Five Star Gilbert on the depth chart.

If you take 9-12 players off the roster, there is no legitimate backup to replace them if they get injured, get homesick or are just horrible attitudes.

Some of y’all can take 72, I would take 85 every day.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 7:19 am
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:25 am to
quote:

2022 is the year we need the full 85


81*

LSU is under probation and cannot have 85 scholarships
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23326 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:48 am to
quote:

I will never understand why folks, here, are saying that we don’t need the full 85* (see below) scholarship limit. This is the year that we need the full 85. You can’t just add transfers and stay at about 72-75 players and hope they pan out. You need to add another transfer with that transfer and find out which one plays the best at LSU.


This is a weird rant. Most of the people predicting where we will end up are just acknowledging that more guys on the current roster will likely leave or be pushed out and we won’t be able to get to 81. That’s not the same thing.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26560 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:19 am to
Nice strawman. No one is claiming that.

However, the transfer portal has changed the math.

A lot of those players in the 65-85 range were developmental players that may not play for several years. So you have 20+ players absorbing roster spots that won't play.

In the portal era, those players may not stick around or will be surpassed by transfers.

I certainly don't have the answers, but I think we will see coaches manage rosters completely different going forward.
Posted by NOSA
Member since Jan 2004
9606 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:19 am to
Yeah, I don't think anyone is arguing we shouldn't have a full 85 scholarships. It's just probably not going to happen in one year.
Posted by mtb010
San Antonio
Member since Sep 2009
4354 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:34 am to
quote:

You NEED to PAY FOR THESE top 5 classes and these 5* blue chip athletes.


Fixed it for you
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
4732 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:37 am to
we need 85, but I don't see enough offers and committments to get there
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
29959 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:50 am to
quote:

we need 85, but I don't see enough offers and committments to get there


Yes. Me too.

This is a thread addressing the fact that people like me bitch and moan about the transfer portal.

It has decimated this team to the point that we cannot even add the 25+7 to get to the 85(well…81).

The responses we hear are,
-No team needs 85
-if you have to rely on a 4th stringer then you are in trouble.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
12036 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:16 am to
I’ve never seen so many strawmen in a single thread.

Impressive really.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9277 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:55 am to
quote:

No one is claiming that.

I’ve definitely seen at least a couple of people claim exactly that. Not a lot, but they exist.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
18041 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 9:57 am to
LSU is not winning jack with a roster full of 3 stars and "Rudy" walk ons. The occasionally story of success is the exception not the rule. And the full 85 roster needs to be back after the next recruiting season.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
29959 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:14 am to
quote:

Nice strawman. No one is claiming that.


So I don’t expect you to go thru every thread, seeing if I am correct. I should have placed this link in op. But I could see those guys getting get upset they I’m calling them out. I’m not, though.

So no. Since you called me out on strawMan argument, I have to provide a link to tell you otherwise.

Straw men
Here


And here

So now don’t act like it has not been said.




However in the same thread I have to agree w ith you on this…..
quote:

A lot of those players in the 65-85 range were developmental players that may not play for several years

This is the most important part of 85. Just look at Alabama and Uga oline.

While some schools are playing three upperclassman on offense of line and two others sophomores or juniors are starting with them, some schools will have to start a freshman right away ( it doesn’t work that way. We were hoping that Dumerville would be able to come in and play right away. )


Not at Alabama and Georgia. They have five stars waiting to play behind five stars. These five star backups are getting physically & mentally prepared to play when called on due to injury or graduation.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 11:22 am
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:23 am to
quote:

81*

LSU is under probation and cannot have 85 scholarships

I don't think it even matters. No way we can get to 81 or 85 this year. We just won't be giving as many former walk-ons scholarships this year.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35342 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:53 am to
quote:

I don't think it even matters. No way we can get to 81 or 85 this year. We just won't be giving as many former walk-ons scholarships this year.
Yeah, it is mathematically impossible unless you give a scholarship to a dozen walk-ons.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
66263 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:55 am to
We don’t play 85 though. We do need 50+ who can play.

Posted by Krushiem
Deerfield Beach Fla
Member since Aug 2017
143 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 10:57 am to
I’m sure that Kelly has a plan, I’m more hopeful now than ever. Top to bottom he is going to get the most from his team.
Posted by wesman21
Youngsville
Member since Jun 2009
2912 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:57 am to
Agreed. No reason to not ever max out available depth. Even if it is local walkons, max it out. No reason to have wasted roster spaces.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
29852 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

I think we will see coaches manage rosters completely different going forward.


Roster management will be a key thing, ven moreso than before. Player buy in, which I guess could be considered part of roster management, will significantly factor in as well.

COnsidering where BK came from, I would say he will probably be better at this than many.
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