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re: 2020 Dline vs 2019 dline
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:26 am to PenguinPubes
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:26 am to PenguinPubes
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Our three cornerbacks we signed, everybody knows what stingley is, and flott and Ray has been given very high praise (plus look at their offer list, screw what rankings say). We will be fine there
We have 6 total true corners for next year if Hampton doesnt make it in, let that sink in.
We went into this year hurting on depth and we're just setitng ourselves up for that to happen once again if we have the same kind of things happen this year as it did last year.
Does it make sense to have 14 scholarship defensive linemen to 6 scholarship corners? There's times we play more corners than defensive linemen (nickel/dime packages). Yes we rotate defensive linemen more, but I'm also not suggesting we have 14 corners either, more jus ta comfortable number if we have an injury or two we're not scraping the bottom of the barrel moving receivers over to play CB.
CBs should be the top priority this class because we signed technically ZERO last class, just wanting to see us finish that with 1 more this class because we cant count on Hampton.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 8:28 am
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:30 am to thunderbird1100
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We have 6 total true corners for next year if Hampton doesnt make it in, let that sink in.
We went into this year hurting on depth and we're just setitng ourselves up for that to happen once again if we have the same kind of things happen this year as it did last year.
Does it make sense to have 14 scholarship defensive linemen to 6 scholarship corners? There's times we play more corners than defensive linemen (nickel/dime packages). Yes we rotate defensive linemen more, but I'm also not suggesting we have 14 corners either, more jus ta comfortable number if we have an injury or two we're not scraping the bottom of the barrel moving receivers over to play CB.
CBs should be the top priority this class because we signed technically ZERO last class, just wanting to see us finish that with 1 more this class because we cant count on Hampton.
Hampton's not a CB, anyway.
We have (3) CB's signed in this class already, and it looks like we're aiming to take another.
And we have the #1CB nationally committed already for 2020.
While numbers are obviously a crucial aspect of any football team, I think quality is our main issue at the moment. And, in my opinion, our quality at CB is very, very high.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:35 am to thunderbird1100
I agree CB is thin bc last year, a certain groupie screwed us, and I couldn’t be happier he got exposed big time on national TV
But we’re signing 3, to go along with two really, really good corners and kelvin can play there if necessary. If Hampton signs and actually stays we will be fine (7 total), I agree tho if he doesn’t we will be one injury away from being screwed
But we’re signing 3, to go along with two really, really good corners and kelvin can play there if necessary. If Hampton signs and actually stays we will be fine (7 total), I agree tho if he doesn’t we will be one injury away from being screwed
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:36 am to OppositeMan
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Hampton's not a CB, anyway.
Yes he absolutely can play CB, he's coming in as a hybrid. Dude is really good on the boundary too. There's a reason they even list him out as a CB, he might be big around 6'0 200+, but the dude has awesome change of direction and speed.
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We have (3) CB's signed in this class already, and it looks like we're aiming to take another.
I'm fine with that, just want to make sure we sign 1 more and guarantee at least 7 on scholarship for next year. It's not just about the starting group but depth. When we put 4 sometimes 4 corners out there and there's an injury or two, you feel it.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:39 am to thunderbird1100
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In 2 years?
Impossible to know, but again, it's kind of silly if we built up 14-15 scholarship players for 3 spots totally neglecting other positions like CB. There needs to be some balance. I dont thin kwe turn down any of the aforementioned DLinemen, but we also dont NEED 3 more from a numbers standpoint with 2020 recruiting and what we currently have.
If we take 5 defensive linemen this class, we need to cut like at least 2 or 3 from current roster.
Yeah, Brometheus...we're going to be sitting here bitching about our SDE depth at this time next year if we don't worry about it now. This is what recruiting HS prospects is all about. Line prospects, both on the DL and OL, can't be expected to contribute right away. And, as of now, our last two DL classes have been extremely light on SDE's.
As of right now, here's who we'll have or might have at SDE in 2020:
Farrell - SR (if he stays)
Logan - SR (if he stays)
Thomas - SR
Cotton - RSSO
Jenkins - RSSO
Evans - RSFR or SO
Roy - true fresh
Obviously any of the other big names we sign in next year's class would also be true freshmen along with Roy.
I hope you see what I see. Do you?
Farrell and Logan will both likely have at least decent draft grades after 2019, too.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:42 am to thunderbird1100
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Yes he absolutely can play CB, he's coming in as a hybrid. Dude is really good on the boundary too. There's a reason they even list him out as a CB, he might be big around 6'0 200+, but the dude has awesome change of direction and speed.
Right, he's like Kelvin Joseph at bit in that regard...I think our coaches want them both at safety, though. I know they've recruited Hampton as a safety, and I believe they're just waiting for the numbers to catch up before they move Joseph back there.
Stingley is the jackpot...getting a guy like him in this class remedies at lot of our issues at that position. But we must continue to build quality depth there. I think Raydar Jones will be very good, too.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:51 am to OppositeMan
You cant sit here and project 2 years out especially on a lot of guys who have yet to really play. Logan people gave up on and this year had a great season. Farrell people were skeptical on and this year emerged a piece in the rotation.
Cotton, Jenkins, etc...are some pretty good players. Cotton was a 4-star and was an early commit. He looked like a future player from a looks standpoint this year. Jenkins Saban wanted real bad, many many times called him up to come visit and Jenkins stuck with us. (Back to Cotton) He got hurt and missed all his senior year so couldnt help his stock much despite remaining a 4-star.
I dont see why we're pressing the panic button with a boatload of guys on the DLine, again, I wouldnt turn down some of the names we are after right now either, but it's certainly just fine if we end up with maybe just 1 more guy with how 2020 is shaping up and we're loaded now with guys.
Cotton, Jenkins, etc...are some pretty good players. Cotton was a 4-star and was an early commit. He looked like a future player from a looks standpoint this year. Jenkins Saban wanted real bad, many many times called him up to come visit and Jenkins stuck with us. (Back to Cotton) He got hurt and missed all his senior year so couldnt help his stock much despite remaining a 4-star.
I dont see why we're pressing the panic button with a boatload of guys on the DLine, again, I wouldnt turn down some of the names we are after right now either, but it's certainly just fine if we end up with maybe just 1 more guy with how 2020 is shaping up and we're loaded now with guys.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:04 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 8:53 am to OppositeMan
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Right, he's like Kelvin Joseph at bit in that regard
Way way way better than Joseph. Joseph was never meant to play corner, he had to this year because...drum roll...we had no depth. He was one of the lowest graded players on defense this season though, he was out of position and it showed.
Dont get me wrong, we will have a great starting group next year and probably 2020 as well, but it's the depth that just isnt there and we all saw what happens when we have to dig a little at corner this past season.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:04 am to thunderbird1100
Man, if you can't see the trouble looming with that list I posted, I don't know what to tell you. I won't ask you whether you think we're doing what we need to do to take bama down or not.
Here, I've added some notes and taken the true frosh off the list:
***Farrell - SR (if he stays)...I think he'll be here
****Logan - SR (if he stays)...I think he could be gone after next season
***Thomas - SR...may never play for us
****Cotton - RSSO...plagued by injuries for the last 2 years
***Jenkins - RSSO...same as Cottom with the injuries
You sure you're okay with this? Really? You're not just debating now for the sake of it?
I'd bet $350 that, if we don't land more in this class, we'll be sitting here in a year talking about our lack of SDE depth heading into the 2020 season.
You act like 2020's really far away...snot. It's already 2019...it's only a season away.
Here, I've added some notes and taken the true frosh off the list:
***Farrell - SR (if he stays)...I think he'll be here
****Logan - SR (if he stays)...I think he could be gone after next season
***Thomas - SR...may never play for us
****Cotton - RSSO...plagued by injuries for the last 2 years
***Jenkins - RSSO...same as Cottom with the injuries
You sure you're okay with this? Really? You're not just debating now for the sake of it?
I'd bet $350 that, if we don't land more in this class, we'll be sitting here in a year talking about our lack of SDE depth heading into the 2020 season.
You act like 2020's really far away...snot. It's already 2019...it's only a season away.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:06 am to thunderbird1100
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Way way way better than Joseph. Joseph was never meant to play corner, he had to this year because...drum roll...we had no depth. He was one of the lowest graded players on defense this season though, he was out of position and it showed.
Meh...I'd say he's more suited for CB than Joseph is, but no way I'm saying he'll be a better safety...at least not right now.
There have been a lot of talk of rankings in this thread, so it makes sense to point out that Joseph was a significantly higher rated recruit.
I hope they both ball out for us, wherever they play. I do hope Joseph is moved back to safety during this off season, though. If Hampton makes it here and wants to try CB first, I'm fine with that.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:09 am to OppositeMan
Missing on Caden Stearns hurt. We have talent, just not depth.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:20 am to dstone12
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Missing on Caden Stearns hurt. We have talent, just not depth.
Yeah, wish he would've stuck with us. He's a stud.
We do still need talent at OT and SDE, though...and depth.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:21 am to OppositeMan
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Man, if you can't see the trouble looming with that list I posted, I don't know what to tell you. I won't ask you whether you think we're doing what we need to do to take bama down or not.
Our problem is scoring points against Bama, not defending them.
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You sure you're okay with this? Really? You're not just debating now for the sake of it?
Again not sure what you're freaking out about, we've got some talent on the DL and had a lot of youngsters who will step up with time. DL is NOT a position guys have a big early impact on. Again, look at Glen Logan, look at Neil Farrell. Jenkins and Cotton were 2 really nice adds and will play more next season and could be potential starters in 2020 depending on how things shake out. You're missing Evans from your list and well know we'll add at least 1 more DLineman to this class, so that's missing too.
Again, dont see the need to press the panic button.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:31 am to thunderbird1100
Alright...hopefully we land more SDE in this class...it's already too late, anyway. Anyone else we land in this class will only be a RSFR or SO in 2020. This problem started last year, at the latest, and it's going to catch up to us, anyway...unless we bring in a stud transfer SDE, as we did with Fehoko.
I look forward to seeing your feelings on this in exactly a year.
And I can't believe you posted this as a reply to my post:
Wow, just wow...feel like you're having trouble letting your position go, tbh.
I look forward to seeing your feelings on this in exactly a year.
And I can't believe you posted this as a reply to my post:
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Our problem is scoring points against Bama, not defending them.
Wow, just wow...feel like you're having trouble letting your position go, tbh.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:38 am to OppositeMan
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Alright...hopefully we land more SDE in this class...it's already too late, anyway. Anyone else we land in this class will only be a RSFR or SO in 2020. This problem started last year, at the latest, and it's going to catch up to us, anyway...unless we bring in a stud transfer SDE, as we did with Fehoko.
It started in a year which we signed 5 defensive linemen? So much so they felt comfortable enough to move 2 of them to the OL? That doesnt make any sense.
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Wow, just wow...feel like you're having trouble letting your position go, tbh.
So you feel like (anything on) defense is more of an issue than offense? Not sure you've been paying attention to our games against Bama
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:39 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:48 am to thunderbird1100
Alright, I'll give my little answers to these questions, and then I have to stop...no point in going back in forth after the evidence that been presented.
Yes...it means that Cotton and Jenkins were the only SDE's we took in that class. And Farrell and Thomas were the only ones taken in the class before. That's (1) low 4-star and (3) 3-stars...I know that rankings aren't everything, but they are indicators. As of right now, Thomas may never play meaningful snaps for us, and Cotton and Jenkins have been injury plagued. We hit on Farrell. So, as of right now, we only know of (1) hit at SDE in the last two classes. And we have very little depth once Lawrence and Fehoko leave.
The numbers and prospects speak for themselves. I can only guess what the coaches were thinking at the time - probably something to do with both Dare and Chasen being better suited for and NEEDED on the OL. Remember, we're having issues on both lines, not just DL. Both Dare and Chasen were initially OL prospects in HS, anyway.
Hopefully nobody here is saying that our coaches aren't trying to get more SDE's in this class. They are, and they may not succeed...this will lead to more depth issues. But the reason they're trying to get more SDE's now is because they know we're in a pickle and that we need more in this class.
No, I never said that. Did I? We're talking about a certain position on the DL, so that's what my posts are about. Honestly, I know you're just trying to change the subject, Bromigo. We can talk about offense, if you want...that's fine.
I'd appreciate it if you would just admit that we need more SDE's, in general. Anybody should be able to tell, from that list I posted above, that we're about to be in trouble there after next season...it's clear as day.
Geaux Tigers.
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It started in a year which we signed 5 defensive linemen? So much so they felt comfortable enough to move 2 of them to the OL? That doesnt make any sense.
Yes...it means that Cotton and Jenkins were the only SDE's we took in that class. And Farrell and Thomas were the only ones taken in the class before. That's (1) low 4-star and (3) 3-stars...I know that rankings aren't everything, but they are indicators. As of right now, Thomas may never play meaningful snaps for us, and Cotton and Jenkins have been injury plagued. We hit on Farrell. So, as of right now, we only know of (1) hit at SDE in the last two classes. And we have very little depth once Lawrence and Fehoko leave.
The numbers and prospects speak for themselves. I can only guess what the coaches were thinking at the time - probably something to do with both Dare and Chasen being better suited for and NEEDED on the OL. Remember, we're having issues on both lines, not just DL. Both Dare and Chasen were initially OL prospects in HS, anyway.
Hopefully nobody here is saying that our coaches aren't trying to get more SDE's in this class. They are, and they may not succeed...this will lead to more depth issues. But the reason they're trying to get more SDE's now is because they know we're in a pickle and that we need more in this class.
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So you feel like (anything on) defense is more of an issue than offense? Not sure you've been paying attention to our games against Bama
No, I never said that. Did I? We're talking about a certain position on the DL, so that's what my posts are about. Honestly, I know you're just trying to change the subject, Bromigo. We can talk about offense, if you want...that's fine.
I'd appreciate it if you would just admit that we need more SDE's, in general. Anybody should be able to tell, from that list I posted above, that we're about to be in trouble there after next season...it's clear as day.
Geaux Tigers.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 9:50 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:00 am to OppositeMan
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Yes...it means that Cotton and Jenkins were the only SDE's we took in that class. And Farrell and Thomas were the only ones taken in the class before. That's (1) low 4-star and (3) 3-stars...I know that rankings aren't everything, but they are indicators. As of right now, Thomas may never play meaningful snaps for us, and Cotton and Jenkins have been injury plagued. We hit on Farrell. So, as of right now, we only know of (1) hit at SDE in the last two classes. And we have very little depth once Lawrence and Fehoko leave.
Injury plagued is a bit much, Cotton missed his senior year, he played this year. Again, cant count out guys who were true freshman, which you seem to keep doing.
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The numbers and prospects speak for themselves. I can only guess what the coaches were thinking at the time - probably something to do with both Dare and Chasen being better suited for and NEEDED on the OL. Remember, we're having issues on both lines, not just DL. Both Dare and Chasen were initially OL prospects in HS, anyway.
Again, they felt plenty fine enough on the DLine to move 2 of the 5 guys over from that class. I think that's telling you something and certainly busts into the "it started that year" theory.
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I'd appreciate it if you would just admit that we need more SDE's
You keep saying SDE, do you know what that means? It means strongside defensive end (this is 1 position), we dont even have that in our 3-4. We play 2 DEs, left and right they dont line up based on strength of the opposing OL.
Also, I've said this entire thread I know we're taking at least 1 more DE this class, and could care less how many it as so long as we dont neglect getting 1 more CB which seems like a depth issue in itself (as we all saw in bowl game).
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Honestly, I know you're just trying to change the subject, Bromigo. We can talk about offense, if you want...that's fine.
I didnt change any subject, you brought up Bama and referenced DLine. We've scored 0 points on Bama 2 of the last 3 games and also held them to fairly low comparatively point totals, just saying, but offense seems to be the much much larger issue there.
This post was edited on 1/18/19 at 10:02 am
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:13 am to thunderbird1100
$350 says we're sitting here a year from now worrying about our depth at the exterior DL slots.
You know it's coming...you.
You know it's coming...you.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:23 am to OppositeMan
No need to go back and forth .
Yall are both right.
Young
Williams
Lee
Hampton
Parker
DE;OT or hold would help the cb; sde; and safety issue.
Hampton and Williams can both legitimately play corner or safety.
Lee could end up almost anywhere.
And Young is good enough to be in the rotation next season by the middle of the year. Imo.
Yall are both right.
Young
Williams
Lee
Hampton
Parker
DE;OT or hold would help the cb; sde; and safety issue.
Hampton and Williams can both legitimately play corner or safety.
Lee could end up almost anywhere.
And Young is good enough to be in the rotation next season by the middle of the year. Imo.
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:34 am to wildcat81tiger86
I don't know...I think he's messing with me. 2020's exterior line, as of right now, looks very suspect.
Yeah, I hope we land more SDE's in this class. Young would be great...so would Ish. As of right now, we get neither, however.
Yeah, I hope we land more SDE's in this class. Young would be great...so would Ish. As of right now, we get neither, however.
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