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What is killing my St. Augustine grass? (UPDATE 9/26)

Posted on 9/13/20 at 5:50 pm
Posted by notbilly
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Posted on 9/13/20 at 5:50 pm
Three weeks ago, my yard was perfectly green. Now it's slowly going brown. The top three pics are five days apart (10 days ago, 5 days ago, & today). The closeup pic was also taken today. I had some brown patch in the spring that I successfully treated. The grass looked the same except this time the patches aren't circular like it was back then. I did apply Scott's Disease X yesterday, bc I had some laying around. There hasn't been enough time to see if that will have an effect, so I figured I'd turn to you guys. What the hell is this?

Ignore the red painted lines; That was something for the kids. Speaking of which, this may sound crazy, but the first brown spots appeared a couple of weeks ago in the spots where the kids pee off the patio. I made them start peeing in different spots b/c I thought it was killing the grass. Then those spots started turning brown. Now the spread is beyond the pee spots.






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UPDATE:
on 9/14 I applied Spectracide Triazicide granules. On 9/19 it was still spreading so I applied the wet version of Spectracide Triazicide (hose attachment) that I picked up at Lowe's. My grass was so bad that I actually sprayed about twice the recommended application b/c I wanted to make sure I didn't miss any. :) the death-spread has stopped and now my grass seems to be slowly coming back. I have some Sevin with the hose attachment that I had to order online. I plan to wait a couple of days to apply that. I'm not sure how many rounds it will take to suppress them until winter, but I plan to keep spraying.

On a related now, the granules seemed to have little to no effect on the caterpillars, but I am thinking I didn't water it in enough.
This post was edited on 9/26/20 at 11:17 am
Posted by FowlGuy
Member since Nov 2015
1350 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 6:10 pm to
Probably webworms, heard they’re bad this year.
Posted by FowlGuy
Member since Nov 2015
1350 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 6:12 pm to
Look at the green blades within the yellow you can see where it has been eaten by the worm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 6:14 pm to
Looks to be sod webworm damage - you can see insect related blade damage (chewed leaf blades) in the last photo - not sure if something else may be in play as well. There are a couple threads on the first page of this board, probably another 2 or 3 threads in the first few pages. It is a major issues for many homeowners right now.

ETA: LINK
This post was edited on 9/13/20 at 8:22 pm
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:38 pm to
Sod worms have torched my yard. Finally made it to the front yard this week multiple rounds of triaz and bifen
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20384 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:52 pm to
I have the same issue and part of it I know is sod webworms, but OP has the entire leaf dead also which I also have is that sod webworms also? It seems more like a fungus to me? My webworms damage is healing it’s growing back. But I have spots where it looks like my dog pee spots where the whole leaf is there but dead which I don’t think is webworms? Then there are other spots with the gray leaf spot that’s obvious and webworms where you can see the leaf is eaten.

My dang new sod has been fricked with everything this year.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

Speaking of which, this may sound crazy, but the first brown spots appeared a couple of weeks ago in the spots where the kids pee off the patio. I made them start peeing in different spots b/c I thought it was killing the grass. Then those spots started turning brown. Now the spread is beyond the pee spots.


Lol

ETA: that’s a nice arse looking patio btw
This post was edited on 9/13/20 at 7:54 pm
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
4368 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

Looks to be sod webworm damage - you can see insect related blade damage (chewed leaf blades) in the last photo


Thanks. I had some Spectracide Triazicide in the garage and put that down. I'm hoping it makes a difference.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9330 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:28 pm to
Glad I got them under control. Noticed a few chewed blades earlier this summer then eradicated them. I’ve had moths ever since but no more damage yet. Will eradicate them again if I see another blade gets chewed.
Posted by djrunner
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
5318 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:51 pm to
The white moths, are they related I am guessing or is that something else.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:18 pm to
Yes those are the adults (they don’t eat grass blades) that lay the eggs that develop into worms/caterpillars that cause the damage to the grass. Chemical control needs to target the “worms” not the adult moths.

Here are excerpts from a article from from an LSU AgCenter horticultural extension specialist (sorry I can’t post a link as it’s not posted on the internet)

“ USING SOAPY WATER
To find the caterpillars in the lawn, you have to look carefully through the green grass at the edge of a brown area. But, just looking carefully through the grass during the day may not turn up any webworms. It helps to make up a gallon or two of soapy solution (one ounce dishwashing liquid – lemon scented is best – per gallon of water) and pour it in the green grass right at the edge of the brown area. This should cause the tropical sod webworms to start moving, making them easier to spot.

CONTROL OPTIONS FOR TROPICAL SOD WEBWORM
To make sure the eggs have hatched (the insecticides are not effective on the eggs), you need to wait for the first signs of damage to appear before treatment (don’t treat the moths). When you see damage appearing in the lawn, treat as soon as possible. A variety of insecticides are effective. Follow label directions carefully.

Spinosad (an organic insecticide) – Monterey Organic Garden Insect Spray; Ferti-lome Borer, Bagworm, Tent Caterpillar and Leafminer Spray; Green Light Spinosad Lawn and Garden Spray; Dow Spinosad Home and Garden, Success Naturalyte, Bonide Captain Jack’s Deadbug Brew and other brands.

Bifenthrin (a pyrethroid) – Talstar; Bifenthrin, Ortho Home Defense and other brands.

Acephate (systemic) – Acephate; Orthene and other brands.

Carbaryl – Carbaryl, Sevin

WHAT CAN YOU DO ABOUT TURF RECOVERY
There is some good news in this. The caterpillars only eat the blades of grass. They do not damage the runners, roots or growing points. As a result, as bad as the lawn looks recovery is generally reliable.

When damage occurs in mid to late summer, fertilizing with a lawn fertilizer containing nitrogen should help the sod webworm damaged turfgrass recover. In most cases, turf grows back with plenty of moisture and fertilizer.

However, weak St. Augustinegrass may not recover from tropical sod webworm damage, and newly emerging seeded bermudagrasses can be seriously damaged.

The later in the season the damage happens, the less recovery you will see in the lawn before winter dormancy. Lawns damaged in October, for instance, will not recover as fast as lawns damaged in July or August.

Sod webworm outbreaks do not tend to occur every year. Many years may go by between outbreaks. So, this is not something you should expect on an annual basis. But, when large numbers of small moths show up in lawns and shrubbery in mid to late summer, now you know what is going on and what to do.

Prepared by:
Dan Gill
LSU AgCenter
Consumer Horticulture Specialist

With information provided by:
Dr. Ron Strahan
LSU AgCenter
Turf Specialist”
This post was edited on 9/13/20 at 9:33 pm
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9330 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:33 pm to
quote:

you need to wait for the first signs of damage to appear before treatment (don’t treat the moths). When you see damage appearing in the lawn, treat as soon as possible. A variety of insecticides are effective. Follow label directions carefully.

This is the strategy I started employing this year after they destroyed my backyard for the last 2 years. I hit them with Anderson’s Duocide, and it immediately eradicates them and damage is minimal.

I don’t know what it is but they have the formula perfected for these savages.
This post was edited on 9/13/20 at 9:40 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20384 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 6:47 am to
Is webworm what causes the dead grass in the OP also? I know they eat the leaves and you can see some chewed on leaves. But I have patches of dead whole leaves that aren’t chewed on. Maybe they just chewed them off at the base?
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9330 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 7:39 am to
Not sure, I've had both as well. Was a fungus in mine so I applied DiseaseEx (credit this board for the rec... stuff is amazing). It doesn't hurt to put that out even if that isn't the issue.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9330 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 7:53 am to
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This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 7:54 am
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
4368 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 7:55 am to
quote:

Is webworm what causes the dead grass in the OP also?


After reading this thread, I'm certain the webworms are at least one of my issues, b/c I do have a ton of moths that have popped up lately. However, I'd like to know the answer to your question as well, bc some of the grass looks dead without the chew marks on them which is why I initially thought this was a fungus/disease.

Thanks to all of the advice in the thread.

I put down Scott's Disease X Saturday morning and Spectracide Triazicide Sunday evening. This AM the brown parts of my yard seem to still be generally in line with where everything was Saturday morning with a little exception. I'm monitoring the spread with my security cameras and will post back here to update.
Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
13771 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:12 am to
I'll say chinch bugs.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:40 am to
Attached are LSU AgCenter articles on

Tropical Sod Webworms

Southern Chinch Bug

Large Patch Disease

Take All Root Rot

Gray Leaf Spot

These seem to be the most common lawn “dying/turning brown” problems individuals posting on this board have dealt with this year with take all patch being the the most devastating but least common. Scotts Disease X is the asoxystrobin mentioned in the lawn disease articles.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9330 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:56 am to
This is good information. I wonder why bifenthrin (Talstar) isn't mentioned for the worm control? I see it used a lot here, but haven't seen much success albeit temporary for moths. I looked at the product I apply, Anderson's Duocide, and it does contain Carbaryl as it's primary ingredient with a smaller % of bifenthrin. It practically instakills the larvae.
This post was edited on 9/14/20 at 8:58 am
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
4368 posts
Posted on 9/14/20 at 8:58 am to
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CrawDude



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