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Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:33 am
Posted by In The Know
City of St George, La
Member since Jan 2005
5228 posts
Posted on 6/5/22 at 10:33 am
Does anyone use a solar pool ionizer and if so, how effective is it? I’ve got a 20k gallon pool. Second, I’ve read that I could use basic home bleach in place of chlorine tablets which have become ridiculously expensive. Is it as effective and how much to put in? Thx in a advance.
Posted by dltigers3
Collierville, TN
Member since Jun 2010
2127 posts
Posted on 6/5/22 at 12:35 pm to
Don’t know about question 1, but as far as using chlorox for chlorine, go visit trouble free pools.com. They recommend trying to find a liquid bleach without additives if I remember correctly. It’s been a few years since I have looked on the site though
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
1935 posts
Posted on 6/5/22 at 1:22 pm to
Yep. The above listed website/forum will tell you all you need to know. They have an app that can calculate how much you need based on size of your pool. Liquid pool chlorine is the same as bleach, just stronger, but this year in particular its never in stock at my local Walmart or Home Depot where I used to get it cheap and even if you do find it, it’s much more expensive and so is the regular bleach.
Posted by Whatafrekinchessiebr
somewhere down river
Member since Nov 2013
1579 posts
Posted on 6/5/22 at 9:30 pm to
You want to avoid “splash less” bleach which is pretty much written on the label somewhere on every standard bleach (Clorox) you would find in a grocery store.

As mentioned above Home Depot and others used to stock 10% “chlorinator” bleach under the HDX label but that has been hard to come by over the last couple of years.

If you are in BR or an area that has a Pinch A Penny franchise they still have it at reasonable prices once you buy the container for future refills.

I have gone back to the 3” pucks because I have a slow leak that requires constantly adding CYA but I still keep a few 2 gallon containers of the pinch a penny bleach to add when we get a good rain storm.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26963 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 5:53 am to
The ionizer for 20k gallons I believe will be useless. Anybody have info to the contrary, hell I’d try one.

Trouble free pools teach the BBB method. Bleach Borax Bicarbonate. Tablets are ridiculous now. Remember bleach will not have a stabilizer. So your chlorine level can swing wildly. Pouring bleach in in Louisiana during the day is as effective as pissing in it. The blazing assed summer sun will eat the chlorine as fast as you put it in. So add at dusk.

You will be buying a LOT of bleach. Think shopping cart full.

I still use tablets. The bleach can be an excellent shock.
Posted by Crusty
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
2423 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 6:44 am to
A few years ago I had an automated chlorinator using the 3" pucks but my CYA levels kept getting too high forcing me to drain half of my pool once or maybe twice a year. I thought I would try that solar pool ionizer but it didn't do anything for my pool and I trashed it. My pool is only 15,000 gallons and it didn't help. I then switched over to a salt water pool and I have had much better luck at keeping my water stabilized and sanitized.
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
1935 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 7:53 am to
quote:

Trouble free pools teach the BBB method. Bleach Borax Bicarbonate. Tablets are ridiculous now. Remember bleach will not have a stabilizer. So your chlorine level can swing wildly. Pouring bleach in in Louisiana during the day is as effective as pissing in it. The blazing assed summer sun will eat the chlorine as fast as you put it in. So add at dusk. You will be buying a LOT of bleach. Think shopping cart full.


Nobody said you don’t use bleach or chlorine without stabilizer at all. The whole point is you put the correct amount of stabilizer and keep it there to keep your chlorine levels more stable instead of using pucks and having your CYA continue to increase which makes your pucks effectively “pissing in the wind” when your chlorine levels can’t get high enough in relation to your excessive CYA.

I’ve done this method for years and my pool is perfect. I check stabilizer levels every couple months and keep it just right and add chlorine or bleach every day or two. It does not swing wildly.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
26963 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 11:54 am to
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Nobody said you don’t use bleach or chlorine without stabilizer at all.


Easy man. You sound like a TFP member. Quick to bristle. I didn’t say “I love Leslie’s” which is the arch enemy of BBB people. I have zero problems with BBB. Refer to it often. Just forgot they suggest adding CYA. “The only item you’ll need from a big box pool store. “.

I stand by adding bleach at sundown. To do so at noon is foolish. Even with stabilizer.
Posted by sosaysmorvant
River Parishes, LA
Member since Feb 2008
1307 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:16 pm to
I used a Floatron ionizer when I had a pool. It was a life saver for me as I had a large maple nearby that cast shade over the pool so I had a lot of algae problems early on. The Floatron made everything much much easier. Chlorine levels do not have to be perfect. The electrodes last about a year.

The one drawback is sometimes if you swam long enough, your hair picked up a metallic smell. Nothing that lasted, but it was noticeable.

I would still use the tablets over the bleach. Much easier to deal with and very effective if used with ionizer.
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
16168 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 1:29 pm to
You can buy 10% bleach in the pool dept at Lowes, Home Depot, Walmart, etc for under $5/gallon. Chlorox is now like 6% IIRC.

The sign at Lowes said 1 gallon is equal to 2 chlorine tablets.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77945 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Easy man. You sound like a TFP member. Quick to bristle
there are some crotchity old men over there.

i posted a thread asking about the UV system that came with my new pool and started a flame-war about whether or not those systems do anything.
Posted by popig
Member since Nov 2014
182 posts
Posted on 6/6/22 at 9:01 pm to
Have had the Remington solar ionizer 3 years and it is fantastic. I use about 1/4 of the chlorine or less and the pool looks great. I bought it at Sams club but they also have them on Amazon . My pool is 18,000 gallons
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5289 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:58 am to
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I stand by adding bleach at sundown. To do so at noon is foolish. Even with stabilizer.


This for sure. The chlorine stays in the water until the morning allowing the bleach to kill any algae for a longer amount of time. It washes out of the pool during the day, then re-add the next evening.

For 20,000 gallons you'll need about a full gallon of 6% liquid bleach every day or a half of a gallon of 12% bleach every day.

TFP is big on the Taylor K-2006c test kit. It tests for everything you need to monitor. Free Chlorine, Total Chlorine, alkalinity, pH, CYA and a couple of others. They also suggest keeping your chlorine content at 1-3ppm daily. At first, testing daily is a pain, but you soon learn how much you need to add daily to maintain that level so you quit testing daily. For my 15k gallon pool, I add about a quarter of a gallon of pool unless there are a lot of people in it which then I add the full gallon. I did this for a few weeks, then decided to go to granule chlorine because frankly, I don't see any reason to avoid granule.

I used the pucks for the first 3 years I had my pool, and absolutely nothing else. Stayed clear as a bell and I added pucks once a week to the inline chlorinator. This year my CYA spiked to 170. Ended up having to drain it over half way twice (I suspect the pool store phucked up my test after the first refill) and my CYA came back down to 30. 30 is too low to maintain the chlorine level. I've been fighting my pool this year worse than any other year but finally got it clear and it's running good for now. But I've been using the granule chlorine. Thinking about going back to pucks until the CYA comes back up to the 50-60 range.

Sorry for the long writeup, but it's a little bit of a different world going the TFP route. And I'm still a bit on the fence if it's easier to just use pucks, and drain the pool every few years, or maintain a pool daily. There are a lot of smart people on that website, smarter than me, but there's always more than one way to skin a cat.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 8:00 am
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
56204 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:24 am to
quote:

there are some crotchity old men over there.
The TFP community is an odd bunch.

I have a new pool and went there for some advice. Basically, without a test kit they rec. you arent getting any advice at all. I suppose I get it, but I know a lot of folks that keep really nice pools and have never heard of TFP.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77945 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:26 am to
my new pool eats a tab a day. i'm dropping them into the strainer basket since there's no automated chlorinator on the new pool. i think i paid almost $200 for the tabs but i think they'll last the season and i'm sure i spent at least that much in the past on liquid chlorine (also impossible to find these days).

CYA is still in good shape so if it starts to creep up i'll change things up.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77945 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 10:28 am to
quote:

I have a new pool and went there for some advice. Basically, without a test kit they rec. you arent getting any advice at all. I suppose I get it, but I know a lot of folks that keep really nice pools and have never heard of TFP.

same. when i first joined i had to go through the 'donate to site/buy the TFKIT' nonsense so i could get advice. i didn't mind because the kit really is nice but it felt a little hokey to have buy that kit to get them to talk to you.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
5289 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 11:15 am to
An inline chlorinator is pretty simple to add to your pool equipment. I believe they are relatively inexpensive also. Makes the once a day trip to the bucket and skimmer unnecessary. Might look into it.

I'm not advocating one way or the other for TFP. A lot of those guys seem like maintaining their pool is their primary hobby. There is a lot of logic to what they say, and it absolutely works but the pool is on my mind some days and not on others. If you forget by their method, pool starts to turn into a battle.

I'm sure you know, but keep your CYA around 50-70ish with our heat.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77945 posts
Posted on 6/7/22 at 11:37 am to
quote:

I'm not advocating one way or the other for TFP. A lot of those guys seem like maintaining their pool is their primary hobby.


its like the guy 4 houses down from me who puts scotts stuff on his lawn like every 3 weeks and runs his sprinkler religiously every morning and night.

WELL OF COURSE HIS LAWN LOOKS BETTER. he's spending $500/mo on it in water & feed!
Posted by indytiger
baton rouge/indy
Member since Oct 2004
9823 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 6:43 am to
quote:

my new pool eats a tab a day.


A tab a day? Holy shite.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5568 posts
Posted on 6/8/22 at 9:49 am to
quote:

I have a new pool and went there for some advice. Basically, without a test kit they rec. you arent getting any advice at all.


I find that everyone there has been extremely helpful for me. They have a system they have all bought in to. So their advice is going to be based on your test results as that is how they manage their pools.

quote:

I know a lot of folks that keep really nice pools and have never heard of TFP.


True. As someone that uses the TFP methods (mostly), I know there is more than one way to manage something. But any pool that is managed properly has to be tested regularly. I use the test kit they recommend. The TFP methods results in my pool being incredibly clear and I don't spend money on expensive chemicals at Leslie's or any other pool store.

I have friends that have dealt with issues b/c they only manage their chlorine levels. Over time, clear water isn't the only thing we have to concern ourselves with.

I spend 10-15 minutes testing my water. I rarely add anything to my pool except liquid chlorine (bleach). Every few months I add some calcium hardner.
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