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zeto
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MSM Turf vs. Celsius
I see these 2 herbicides mentioned the most on here. I already own MSM and was wondering if having Celsius on hand is needed. It's not cheap obviously, so what would I gain with having Celsius that MSM doesn't already kill?


CrawDude
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
There are are some problematic weeds like Doveweed and green kyllinga, carpetweed as well, that Celsius will control that MSM won’t, no doubt others. I started out with MSM, still use it, but bought Celsius largely to control Doveweed but use it for other weeds as well, but I didn’t buy it until I needed it to control weeds that MSM Turf would not control.

The upfront price is high, but a bottle will last as long as 5 years - this is year 3 on my bottle and I’ve use a little more than half. I think it is about $105 at Site One in BR. So in my mind the cost is $20 per year - a whole lot less than I pay for fertilizer, pre-emergent herbicides, etc. Of course the MSM lasts a good while as well.


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The upfront price is high, but a bottle will last as long as 5 years


Shelf life is only 3 years, ftr. Im sure it could last longer, but its expensive shite. I usually split bottles with people


ksdolfan
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
I have both in my arsenal. Can they be mixed?


CrawDude
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I have both in my arsenal. Can they be mixed?

According to ronk, yes they can, and in fact here is his quote on mixing the two from a thread I bookmarked from a month ago

“ For a full 4 gallon backpack it is 3.8 grams of MSM and .51 ounces of Celsius. There are 3 main weeds where the combo is better than the stand alone product: VBW, lespedeza, and spurge. It is not a combo I mix often but if I've treated something and it just keeps hanging on or sections of the weed are starting to regrow then I use the combo.”


CrawDude
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
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Shelf life is only 3 years, ftr. Im sure it could last longer, but its expensive shite. I usually split bottles with people

Well according to “Do It Yourself Pest Control” you are correct - they recommend 3 years, but I’ll guess I’ll find next year as I’ll go into year 4 on my bottle. I do keep mine inside under controlled conditions to help preserve shelf life. Even using 3 years, $35 per year cost is still an effective cost for a top of the line selective herbicide.

Splitting bottles with others is also a good idea.


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ronk
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
That is correct. I started mixing these together back when I lived in Baton Rouge. Dr Ron Strahan suggested I use it when I was trying to get rid of lespedeza and it just wouldn't go away.

The 3 years thing with Celsius is really because Bayer had to put something on the bottle. It should last longer than that.


Clint Torres
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
and date on the bottle is manufacture date not expiration


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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
Celsius doesn’t seem to be doing well on my lespedeza. It smokes my VBW, whereas I had poor performance from MSM.


ronk
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
Try Celsius and MSM combined on lespedeza.


LSUtigerME
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
Will MSM take care of Nutsedge? I know Sedgehammer will but I have some (a lot) mixed with new Bermuda growth. The MSM is supposedly safer for the new growth and I already have it.


s14suspense
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
It won’t. I add sedgehammer to MSM


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BHS78
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
Where can I buy MSM in BR


CrawDude
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Where can I buy MSM in BR

Cleggs on Siegen, Site One Landscape Supply, Woener Sod, Plant Tech (I think)


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CenlaLowell
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
I would replace both of them with fahrenheit and Certainty. These two should get rid of almost every weed besides dallisgrass


RealityTiger
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re: MSM Turf vs. Celsius
With this combo you're talking about, do you simply spot treat or is it a broadcast spray over entire lawn?


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GRIZZ
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These two should get rid of almost every weed besides dallisgrass


What gets rid of dallisgrass?


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