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Mr. Cool - has anyone tried these mini-split ac?

Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:00 am
Posted by Rocklicker
Member since Aug 2016
133 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:00 am
Is it truly DIY? Would it help in a bonus room to keep cooler?
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:04 am to
dude... don't... i'm in the HVAC business. You will spend the money on that, do it wrong, then pay someone to come make it right. In the end you will pay more than if you just paid someone to come do it the first time.

Just my advice and it's worth what you paid for it. Good luck
Posted by Rocklicker
Member since Aug 2016
133 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:24 am to
Thanks- any other reasonable options to help cool off upstairs bonus room above a garage? I plan to insulate a little better, but it stays 5-7 degrees warmer than the rest of the house. Whole house is run on a 6 ton unit. So I was thinking the mini split would help for that one room. The quote to install a mini split from a professional was $7K.
Posted by DieselTiger1
9 Dragon
Member since Oct 2008
13672 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:34 am to
quote:

dude... don't... i'm in the HVAC business. You will spend the money on that, do it wrong, then pay someone to come make it right. In the end you will pay more than if you just paid someone to come do it the first time.

Just my advice and it's worth what you paid for it. Good luck



Is it the Mini split you're against or someone DIYing it? I've heard good things about the mini splits.
Posted by FishinTygah84
LA
Member since Dec 2013
1976 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:56 am to
well, im against both. Mini split arent bad, but they are way overcomplicated, as anything "high efficiency" is. The boards go out on them regularly. Those are a few hundred dollars. Everything is expensive and most of it takes forever to get. If an evaporator coil goes out, you almost have to replace the entire wall mount, due to how it's built. Cost in the neighborhood of 2-3k depending on BTU size.

i'd be curious to know what type of unit you have as they don't make 6 ton residential splits, or even really commercial 6 ton splits. Trane has a 6 ton package unit and York made a 6 ton commercial split back in the day.

is your model number "060" if so that is a 5 ton.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 9:57 am
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:20 am to
I recommend looking at Pioneer Mini Splits. I tried your route and did the majority of the installation myself but had a tech come out to do the connections/finalize the install. It ran me all of about $100 for his services.

That said, I had a small leak on the inside unit that caused the compressor to go out. They first sent me a new outside unit and now a new inside coil, both under warranty (REGISTER the unit as soon as installed!)

It works amazingly well and is whisper quiet. The fact that it has a coil leak sucks, so factor that in. However the 5 year no hassle warranty has been great. I'm also fortunate to have a great AC guy who doesn't ream me to do service.

Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
13292 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 11:15 am to
I have a Pioneer in my garage and it works great. The install was around $500.
Posted by WPBTiger
Parts Unknown
Member since Nov 2011
30876 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 11:20 am to
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a mini split from a professional was $7K.


I got a 3.5 ton installed for that price.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5310 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 11:20 am to
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I have a Pioneer in my garage and it works great. The install was around $500.



I had done all of the mounting, hole in the wall, pad for the outside unit...etc. My AC guy just had to come pull a vacuum and check for leaks etc.

Posted by UPGDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2021
569 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 12:50 pm to
A friend had the same issue with his newly constructed house. He had an insulator come in and add the spray foam for the attic space and it solved his problem. Also curious, you said you had a 6 ton unit? I don't know anyone that makes a residential unit in that tonnage. I know commercial customers can buy something in that tonnage but not a resi unit. And the quote to install a mini split is way high.
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28816 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 4:17 pm to
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The quote to install a mini split from a professional was $7K.


seems very high. when we did our remodel i detailed on this board, we added two mini-duct splits and i believe they were $3k a piece. that being said, they reducted our entire house as well so that may have been thrown in there as a discount.

he have a daiken and i've been very happy with it so far. we didnt' really get any input on what they put in.


to being easy. no it is not as simple as advertised in any way shape or fashion. i'm not saying it's outside of the scope of an advanced homeowner/DIYer, but you have to be able to cut a hole inside and out, connect power, get the ducting to outside, run drain lines, etc.

the commercial of the dude in the stuntman getup just cutting holes and sticking in the wall is complete and utter horse shite.

do you really think that this setup was done by a 15 minute measure, cut, and drill DIY project like they advertise?




that's not mine, and i'm not saying it's done well, i'm just saying that it's not as easy as advertised on those commercials.
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20391 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 4:39 pm to
Mini splits are extremely common in Asia and Europe, they just are not common here. A lot of HVAC companies won't work on them, there's just not enough work I guess? Anyway, they are very efficient and great for cooling 1-2 rooms.

I've got quotes a couple times and they were absurdly high, labor in the $2000-3000 range for a unit that's under $1500 and I know there's no way its taking a team of 2 HVAC techs more than a couple of hours to install. So that seems normal OP because its hard to find someone wanting to do the work IMO.
Posted by USEyourCURDS
Member since Apr 2016
12059 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 4:45 pm to
Love my Mitsubishi for an above garage space.
Posted by coonass27
shreveport
Member since Mar 2008
3620 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:10 pm to
I have one I bought from Lowe’s. Yeah I’m not happy.

First and foremost, reguardless of what pRt of the install you do, you will need to pay an ac tech to come out and pull a vacuum on the line. I had paid 200 bucks for someone to do this as well as cut and re- Ferrell the copper lines as they give you like 10 feet. The instal wasn’t bad as it’s two pieces amd 3 wire hook up. What they failed to mention is the size hole they tell you to drill is the exzact size of the wire and tubing that has to pass through.

As far as the unit, it started freezing up when running at 70 degrees during the summer. Installed in feb. worked well until June and then it would freeze and is Dropping water all over the wall. Heater doesn’t work at all either and pretty much is pissing in the wind. I suspect it’s low on Freon but don’t know.

Called Lowe’s as it had the warranty, Lowe’s just said they will send me my money back as they don’t have anyone to work on it. So I got it for free plus the Ac tech time. I’m going to have someone come out to check the levels but idk. I bought a portable stand alone unit that has no condensate run off and cut a vent through the wall to exhaust it. It works like a champ and was 300 bucks.

It’s an 18k btu and the area is about 400 sq feet. I’m like the mini split concept and know someone with an LG that’s bullet proof so I’m not going to knock the split concept. But I would buy a name brand from a local instal company or a brand that the big box stores carry and pay them to install.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
14261 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:26 pm to
Why would you need an AC tech to put a vacuum on it? Just curious as I plan to purchase one soon. I have a vacuum device that hooks to an air compressor that I've used on cars just fine. Harbor freight has it for a few bucks. And if the line is pre-charged what part are you putting the vacuum on?
This post was edited on 3/10/21 at 9:30 pm
Posted by coonass27
shreveport
Member since Mar 2008
3620 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 9:40 pm to
Lol. Because I’m not an ac guy and had no clue what it was or how to do it lol. If I remember correctly it was to remove any air from the lines but I honestly don’t know.
Posted by UPGDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2021
569 posts
Posted on 3/10/21 at 10:32 pm to
That was what it was for; to remove air and moisture. If any air is left in the lines it creates an acid that messes up seals and 0-rings. So with Mr Cool, if you get the packaged line sets and DON'T cut them to size, you aren't supposed to need to pull a vacuum on the system. Unfortunately that means you will have a coil of excess tubing next to the condenser. It is ugly. If you want to make it neater, you'll need to cut the lines, attach them, check for leaks, pull a vacuum on the system for a while (to boil any moisture out of the system), and then release the charge to the system. This is where you need an A/C guy; if you cut the lines. That's for the mechanical side. Then you really need an electrician for the electrical work.
Posted by coonass27
shreveport
Member since Mar 2008
3620 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 11:36 am to
Ahhhh. Ok. I did have the lines cut and re capped to remove the access. The manual however did state that you had to pull a vacuum. But I’m not sure why it shite the bed. I need to have the Freon checked as it may be my problem.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25550 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

Is it truly DIY?


Yes, with a caveat. Any solid DIYer can install one especially if it is on an outside wall. That said both the ones I installed I had an HVAC tech come out and verify the refrigerant level and both systems were slightly to moderately overcharged with the precharged lines. It was insurance I was willing to pay for.

I have two 24k BTU units one on each of my shops and they have both been excellent at cooling 950-1100 sq ft but I don't keep them frigid (78-79). I bought cheap ones online that several of the other people on my woodworking forum had used. They are Blueridge units from Alpine. They were ~$1400 each shipped with all the needed parts and lines. I am sure they are not Mitsubishi quality but have been running for 4 and 5 summers with no issues at all. I don't give them full endorsement because I know they are cheap and I haven't had them that long but I wholeheartedly endorse mini-splits as a product. We have a bonus room over our garage that I cheaped out and didn't put another unit in for when we built. It is fine 330 or so days a year but there is usually about a month that it is a few degrees to warm to be comfortable in and I plan to put a mini-split in this summer, I honestly haven't decided if I am going cheap again or buying a supposedly better quality unit.






* that definition is up for debate some people are over-confident and some are under-confident
Posted by LSUlove
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
518 posts
Posted on 3/11/21 at 4:56 pm to
What would y’all recommend to cool a 400sq for pool house? Has living/kitchen area, small bathroom and bedroom.
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