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HVAC Guys, Which Unit Is Better?

Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:07 pm
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2448 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:07 pm
Received two quotes today for the HVAC installation in my new home. ~6500 sqft including basement and bonus area above garage. All quotes include material and labor.

First quote is for a Trane 14 SEER split heat pump system - $13,600. Another 14 SEER in the basement $8,000. For the bonus room a 23 SEER Mitsubishi split ductless heat pump $5,200 and a Ultra Aire ventilating whole house dehumidifier for pushing fresh air through $5,000.
Total of $31,800

Second quote came with 4 "levels" to choose from. Trane 14 SEER with a XB air handler $23,000, 15 SEER with XR air handler $25,000, 16 SEER with a M-Series air handler $27,000, or 19 SEER with a Hyperion XL and a Comfortlink II thermostat $31,000.

Both quotes have 10 year parts and 1 year labor warranty except for the $31,000 quote, it offers 2 year labor warranty and 1 year maintenance included.

Don't have to have the best of the best but I want to make sure I get enough for what I need. I don't have a clue about HVAC so I'd just be going off what they tell me. Looking for opinions from the board. Also is the $5,000 price difference between company’s normal?
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 8:04 pm
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
14256 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 4:57 pm to
$31k. God help me when my AC needs replacing.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3789 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:01 pm to
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~6500 sqft with basement and bonus area above garage. All quotes include material and labor.

That’s big. But how much area is the HVAC covering, and how many units?

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Trane 14 SEER split heat pump system - $8,000.

I’d recommend a minimum of 16 SEER. This was the max I could get before jumping to dual stage or variable speed units.

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For an additional $5,600 they'll install basic venting and exhaust fans in three bathrooms.

What? Why is the HVAC quoting this? $5,600 is a lot for this, IMO. $150-200-ish for each HVL, plus install. $5k labor is ridiculous for a new build from the HVAC crew.

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A) a 23 SEER Mitsubishi split ductless heat pump $5,200


This is what I have and it’s great. Mine is a 2T to cover about 750 sqft. I paid around $3k installed in 2019.

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B) Ultra Aire ventilating whole house dehumidifier $5,000.

This is not even close to the same as mini-split. It provides no heating or cooling, and “whole home” for just the bonus room?

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Second quote came with 4 "levels" to choose from. Trane 14 SEER with a XB air handler $23,000, 15 SEER with XR air handler $25,000, 16 SEER with a M-Series air handler $27,000, or 19 SEER with a Hyperion XL and a Comfortlink II thermostat $31,000.

Is this one unit? Price seems high, and sqft is very high for a 5T. So I assume you’d need 2 units. As above, I’d recommend at least the 16SEER. Not sure the difference in air handlers, but may have some differences that are worthwhile (multi-speed blower).

What about duct work? Both offering hard duct or flex? Any additional testing or sizing they are providing? System Balancing?
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
9764 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:23 pm to
For an additional $5,600 they'll install basic venting and exhaust fans in three bathrooms.
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That's robbery!

Get a third quote.
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2448 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:43 pm to
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What? Why is the HVAC quoting this? $5,600 is a lot for this, IMO. $150-200-ish for each HVL, plus install. $5k labor is ridiculous for a new build from the HVAC crew.


“This would also allow for one basic exhaust fan and venting for the two bathrooms and one half bath” this is what was in the quote. I took it to mean they could install them, but it might mean something different? It’s also listed in the quote from the other company but it’s included in pricing.

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That’s big. But how much area is the HVAC covering, and how many units?


That’s the total sqft that’ll I’ll be heating/cooling.

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This is what I have and it’s great. Mine is a 2T to cover about 750 sqft. I paid around $3k installed in 2019.


My bonus room is about 680 sqft so that’s good to know.

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This is not even close to the same as mini-split. It provides no heating or cooling, and “whole home” for just the bonus room?


The quote stated pulling fresh air is required and they recommended the dehumidifier for this purpose. It said it would be ducted to the main unit duct.

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Is this one unit?


No, that’s the 4 options they offered me.

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Not sure the difference in air handlers, but may have some differences that are worthwhile (multi-speed blower).


They’re all variable speed except for the 14 SEER option which is a single speed.

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What about duct work? Both offering hard duct or flex? Any additional testing or sizing they are providing? System Balancing?


Hard trunk and flex branch on both. No testing or sizing I’m aware of or system balancing.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6138 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:51 pm to
How many units did the quote call for?

Bringing in outside air is code but after inspection I would have them seal those suckers up unless your in an area with no humidity.
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3789 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 5:57 pm to
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No, that’s the 4 options they offered me.

I mean is this pricing for one unit?

You have approximately 5800 sqft of heating and cooling. There’s no way one 5T unit could cover that. I have 4100 sqft and have 10T of total cooling through 3 units (2 4T and the 2T mini split).

So is it priced per unit? The first quote of only $8k is really cheap for a unit and ducting to cover 5k+ sqft.
ETA: I’m guessing this is a typo and it’s $18k, which makes the $5k difference make sense. $18k is more in line with expectations.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 6:00 pm
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
14256 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:05 pm to
This has to be 2 units I'm thinking now.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
29860 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 6:06 pm to
always go with highest seer rating, thats you cost vs cooling efficiency figure, bigger the better and less electricity it uses to do its thing

honestly with 6500 sq ft i would use 2 systems, one for living spaces and one just for bedrooms and that way it gives you the option one side stays cooling if one breaks.

most likely a split zone control system would help as well with that much sq footage to cool
Posted by GAFF
Georgia
Member since Aug 2010
2448 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 7:52 pm to
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So is it priced per unit?


Ok, after going back and rereading the quote, it is multiple units. The company's provided their quotes two entirely different ways and it caused me confusion. So, the first quote is this:

Main Level
1.) Installation of Trane 14 SEER split heat pump system. It includes ductwork consisting of metal trunk line and flexible branch ducts, refrigeration piping, drain, low voltage wiring, digital programmable thermostat and labor. This would also allow for one basic exhaust fan and venting for the two bathrooms and one half bath. The unit has a ten year warranty and one year labor warranty. $13,600.00

Basement
2.) Installation of Trane 14 SEER split heat pump system. It includes ductwork consisting of metal trunk line and flexible branch ducts, refrigeration piping, drain, low voltage wiring, digital programmable thermostat and labor. The unit has a ten year warranty and one year labor warranty. $8,000

Bonus Room
3.) Installation of 23 SEER Mitsubishi split ductless heat pump system. It includes interconnecting refrigeration and communication lines, drain and labor. There is a twelve year compressor warranty, ten on parts and one on labor. $5,200.00

4.) Installation of Ultra Aire ventilating whole house dehumidifier with digital control. We would recommend this option for bringing in fresh air through as it would dehumidify it first. The ducting for it would be connected to the duct system of the main unit. It carries a six year warranty. $5,000.00

So a total of 31,800.

The other quote is how I listed it. I only see it listed as 5 ton primary unit. It says nothing about an additional unit, but the first quote didn't mention any specific air handlers like the second quote did. Why is that?
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

Ok, after going back and rereading the quote, it is multiple units. The company's provided their quotes two entirely different ways and it caused me confusion. So, the first quote is this: Main Level 1.) Installation of Trane 14 SEER split heat pump system. It includes ductwork consisting of metal trunk line and flexible branch ducts, refrigeration piping, drain, low voltage wiring, digital programmable thermostat and labor. This would also allow for one basic exhaust fan and venting for the two bathrooms and one half bath. The unit has a ten year warranty and one year labor warranty. $13,600.00 Basement 2.) Installation of Trane 14 SEER split heat pump system. It includes ductwork consisting of metal trunk line and flexible branch ducts, refrigeration piping, drain, low voltage wiring, digital programmable thermostat and labor. The unit has a ten year warranty and one year labor warranty. $8,000 Bonus Room 3.) Installation of 23 SEER Mitsubishi split ductless heat pump system. It includes interconnecting refrigeration and communication lines, drain and labor. There is a twelve year compressor warranty, ten on parts and one on labor. $5,200.00 4.) Installation of Ultra Aire ventilating whole house dehumidifier with digital control. We would recommend this option for bringing in fresh air through as it would dehumidify it first. The ducting for it would be connected to the duct system of the main unit. It carries a six year warranty. $5,000.00 So a total of 31,800. The other quote is how I listed it. I only see it listed as 5 ton primary unit. It says nothing about an additional unit, but the first quote didn't mention any specific air handlers like the second quote did. Why is that?


Those look to be very reasonable quotes for each system, particularly in that they include ductwork. A whole house dehumidifier will provide fresh air and should be very helpful in helping to regulate humidity in the shoulder seasons (spring and fall) and “rainy” days when conditions are such that temperatures are sufficiently cool that the HVACs do not to run but humidity is still uncomfortably high.

You should ask the HVAC contractor if they provide a detailed commissioning report on each system after installation to insure each unit is operating in accordance with manufacturers’ specifications. Here is an example of a HVAC commissioning checklist. LINK.

Lastly, ask how they determined the size (tonnage) of each of the 3 HVAC system and ductwork to be installed - did they conduct a manual J, S and D for the main level, basement and bonus room (correct approach) or just used a “rule of thumb approach”? It’s common for HVAC units to be oversized and ductwork to be undersized when rules of thumb are used for sizing equipment.
This post was edited on 7/15/22 at 9:22 am
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 8:52 pm to
Delete - double post.
This post was edited on 7/14/22 at 8:56 pm
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
19801 posts
Posted on 7/14/22 at 9:35 pm to
You need more quotes
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