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Grass Growing Advice - Centipede is terrible

Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:59 am
Posted by JustKillinTime
Member since Apr 2022
64 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:59 am
Having trouble keeping a centipede lawn healthy and looking to transition to bermuda. Large portions of centipede in my yard die every year, but the bermuda seems to do fine. What type/variety of burmuda seed should I put down to overseed some scraggly centipede in some areas and plant completely new in other areas? I'm looking for something that is very resilient and tough. Mostly sun with some partial shade under a crepe myrtle tree. Not interested in messing with sod at this time.

Any help or advice is appreciated! Tired of looking at dirt in my front yard...
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
1732 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:11 am to
I’m interested in pointers for transitioning as well. I can’t figure out why, but I have major portions of centipedes that die and are extremely slow to come back each spring. These spots are not the same year to year. I also have large areas of carpet grass that I’m hesitant to nuke all at once. I’ve been killing around the thick patches of Bermuda and letting it spread. It’s going slow.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
5503 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 10:12 am to
I have the same issue. Centipede sucks if growing conditions aren't perfect for it. It hates wet feet and needs pretty loose soil which cancels out like 98% of southeast Louisiana homesites. Dog piss kills it dead, it's terrible with foot traffic and fungus, doesn't recover well, and super picky about soil pH. Admittedly, I hate grass and suck at growing it, but I don't get the whole idea that centipede is the lazy man's grass. Maybe lazy just from the standpoint that you never have to mow it because it never grows. I'm installing zoysia in our new build.
Posted by agdoctor
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2004
3142 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 11:27 am to
Zoysia is what LSU would recommend.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
80755 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 2:11 pm to
Centipede sucks, I'll never willingly re-sod with that shite ever again. Unless you have zero trees around, it won't grow.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6171 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 5:34 pm to
If you have full sun then you’ll love Bermuda. One poster here has celebration Bermuda and it looks awesome. I’m also a huge fan of princess 77/Arden 15.

Deep green, fast recovery, wear and drought resistant.
Posted by lsurulzes88
Member since Jan 2007
398 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 6:34 pm to
Any idea who has the celebration? Looking to do a trial of it in a side yard in a few weeks and interested to hear from someone local.
Posted by b-rab2
N. Louisiana
Member since Dec 2005
12575 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 7:47 pm to
I have celebration.. and to be honest, I dont have it everywhere...yet. as my front yard (centipede) dies from the same thing yall are describing , I add plugs of celebration from my back yard and it takes off.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6095 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:06 pm to
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One poster here has celebration Bermuda and it looks awesome


Anyway to really tell what kind of hybrid Bermuda it is? I inherited a Bermuda lawn but have never been sure of the variety, I figured I either had Tif 419 or celebration.

Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4485 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 8:59 pm to
I was coincidentally looking into the same thing today; overseeding centipede with Bermuda to make the switch. My centipede does ok but I did a soil test and my pH is way up. I spread some sulfur and you can tell it’s starting to break down but it’s still too high for any reasonable amount of sulfur to bring it down enough.

Looks like making this transition successfully has its challenges. Curious to know ronk’s take on overseeding like this? Was looking hard at the oasis blend today. Seems to be what would suit me best. In my research it also seems like plugging is more effective than seeding if you don’t break up the thatch layer to get to bare dirt under the grass, but I could be wrong.
Posted by tiger2180
Member since Nov 2015
420 posts
Posted on 4/12/22 at 9:09 pm to
quote:

Having trouble keeping a centipede lawn healthy and looking to transition to bermuda. Large portions of centipede in my yard die every year, but the bermuda seems to do fine. What type/variety of burmuda seed should I put down to overseed some scraggly centipede in some areas and plant completely new in other areas? I'm looking for something that is very resilient and tough. Mostly sun with some partial shade under a crepe myrtle tree. Not interested in messing with sod at this time. Any help or advice is appreciated! Tired of looking at dirt in my front yard...


So, you are having trouble keeping a low maintenance turf healthy? How about mow it at 1.5-2”. Water only when stressed, fertilize once maybe twice a year. Keep ph in proper range and don’t expect it to grow in shade.
Posted by PaulBurbank007
Member since Nov 2013
821 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 3:05 am to
I have st Augustine and to be honest it looks like shite and I would rather just have dirt..
I want to eventually turn it all into Bermuda or zoysia
Posted by leblanc272
Lake Charles
Member since Aug 2019
175 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:05 am to
quote:

Anyway to really tell what kind of hybrid Bermuda it is? I inherited a Bermuda lawn but have never been sure of the variety, I figured I either had Tif 419 or celebration.


pull a runner out and take a picture. celebration has larger fatter leaves and more space between internodes. its common bermuda on steroids. Im a golf guy growing celebration and hate it. it looks scaggly at 1.5 inches and matts up. needs to be mowed 1 inch and under to really look tight. it is also a huge thatch producer and thus gets large patch really bad and grey snow mold. if I had to grow a bermuda lawn, I would go with tifway 419. the celebration will need annual heavy verticutting, and top dressing. needs inputs to keep that deep green color.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6095 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 8:01 am to
quote:

pull a runner out and take a picture.


I'll have to do that later.

Yeah, with mine, anything above 2 inches is really leggy(looks nice but not for walking etc.) The pic above is cut at 2inches.

I maintained last year about 1.5inch with reel and had better turf density, but had issues keeping color in a couple of sections. Going to again this year to do at 1 inch. Do some leveling and may try out a pgr this year.

Yeah I think lsu uses celebration on their fields now. There was a nice video they put out about needing verticutting etc to optimize it. Of course they resod every year as well..
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4485 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

Curious to know ronk’s take on overseeding like this?

Bump for ronk's infinite wisdom when he gets a chance.
Posted by greenbean
USAF Retired
Member since Feb 2019
4541 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 5:35 pm to
This summer, we had the worst infestation of army worms in central MS that i can remember. Army Worms love Bermuda, make sure to treat your lawn for them.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
24937 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:21 pm to
We have spots with Princess Bermuda and mostly Meyer zoysia.

I much prefer the zoysia. It’s much thicker and has less weeds.
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6171 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:42 pm to
My wisdom is definitely not infinite! I am honestly not familiar with oasis. Tif 419, celebration, princess/Arden, blackjack, Sahara, laprima, and common are what I’m familiar with. I will say that I was really impressed with blackjacks germination rate with zero prep work.

Switching out lawns without removing the previous lawn is always going to present challenges. With centipede going to Bermuda I’d fert high, mow low, and create drought situations if possible. Use no fungicides.

Wait, what was the question?
Posted by ronk
Member since Jan 2015
6171 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 7:45 pm to
Looks like 419 based on color. Celebration is a blue green color. Kinda difficult but tug 419 is sterile and celebration is not. Find seed heads and remove the seeds. Plant the under perfect conditions in a plantar and see if anything grows.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
4485 posts
Posted on 4/13/22 at 8:45 pm to
The oasis I was looking at is blackjack, maya (blackjack II), and transcontinental. I was looking at blackjack or blackjack II, but from what I read the transcontinental mixed in has some partial shade properties, and I have a section that gets partial shading on the north side of my house. I’m glad you said that about blackjack, that makes me feel better.
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