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Can houseplants reduce humidity?

Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:16 pm
Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 8/4/20 at 11:16 pm
We currently have zero plants in the house, and the humidity usually sits around the high side of comfortable (and sometimes into uncomfortable) in one half the house during the hot and humid months. I read that some plants, like the peace lily (among others), can actually absorb moisture from the air. The claim is they reduce overall humidity in the house, and this is repeated across countless websites. "Add these plants to your bathroom decor to remove moisture, avoid mold, etc." Anyway, it's my understanding that even though these plants do take moisture in through their leaves, the do still transpire (at night I guess?) and on balance they will still increase humidity overall (I mean you still have to water them occasionally).

Is it silly to think that adding plants might actually lower humidity levels? I wouldn't expect any miracles, but I've been thinking of adding some plants for the air purifying properties, and if I can knock a couple points off the humidity levels by choosing certain plants, I'd like to do that too.
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:29 am to
Plants will not reduce humidity, more like the opposite.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28702 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:43 am to
quote:

Plants will not reduce humidity, more like the opposite.
I understand that is the case with the vast majority of plants. Or, you know, probably all of them.

And I'm not the type to believe everything I read online, but a search for "dehumidifying plants" turns up a lot of results, and it's all very similar lists of just a handful of plants with supposedly high foliar uptake of water. Almost always listed are the peace lily as I mentioned, boston fern, spider plants, tillandsia, and english ivy. Maybe a couple cacti.

So I understand that very nearly all of the water that you put in the dirt is eventually released into the air, regardless of the plant, whether by evaporation or transpiration. A single digit percentage of it is actually used to build plant matter, so probably 98% of the water ends up in the air. But maybe that doesn't matter.


If you think what you've read so far sounds stupid, stop reading now.


Consider that a plant can act as a moisture sink if it can absorb moisture through its leaves. Even though it will all be released again via transpiration eventually, the rate of transpiration is slower when humidity is high. So when humidity is high, the plant absorbs moisture from the air. When humidity is low, it releases moisture to the air. It's a regulator.

So I figure there's about 20-30 pounds of water in the air in my house at any given time (my math may be off, but that sounds about right). And maybe that is the difference between the lowest and highest humidity in my house, 20 lbs vs. 30 lbs of water. Maybe by putting these plants in bathrooms and other high humidity areas, they can cumulatively shave the top end down to 29 lbs and then release it to bring the low end up to 21 lbs.


Like I said, not looking for any miracles. I'm just talking about if I'm looking to add some plants anyway, I might as well choose ones that could work to regulate humidity levels.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 6:56 am to
Nope. Buy a dehumidifier for your bathroom, and set the thermostat a degree or two colder than usual. Look for air leaking into conditioned spaces from poorly sealed doors and windows.

Plants are great, but they won’t do squat to help in our ultra humid climate.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 7:17 am to
Sounds like you have hvac issues
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 7:53 am to
It's not silly, it's beyond silly.

House plants need watering and what water that isn't used by the plant simply evaporates, adding more water to the air.

Besides, even if it did, just how much time and effort would you be willing to put in on an almost daily basis toward upkeep of the plants in watering, fertilizing, making sure they got enough sunlight to survive by rotating them to light sources, etc.

Like mentioned, just get a dehumidifier or two and plug those suckers in, problem solved.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17952 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:02 am to
this issue could be oversized HVAC, poorly sealed house (high infiltration), insulation issue, duct leakage etc.

I'd pay a few hundred $ to get a residential energy specialist out there and do the full study of your house. Get a manual J, manual D, closed door blower test, duck leakage test, etc. performed. They will be able to tell you exactly what needs to be done to fix the humidity issue and you can likely avoid buying a dehumidifier.

Fixing the issue this way is likely to save you a lot of $ on your elec bill moving forward.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 8:03 am
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:51 am to
Numerous plants can help stabilize humidity in a room or building.

I believe Ferrari has a large clean warehouse they manufacture their engines in and they have a bunch of trees in planters in the ground in it. The tv show I saw said they did it Bc it helps to keep humidity constant which enables them to manufacture the engines more accurately.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:33 am to
quote:

Numerous plants can help stabilize humidity in a room or building.

Stabilize implies that the humidity goes up and down, and is at times lower than the desired target.

This is NEVER the case in the hot, humid south. Maybe a handful of days a year do people in South LA experience humidity below 40%. Even in winter, we often have 65% or greater humidity. So virtually no one in a residential setting in our climate wants to add humidity, ever.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28702 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:23 pm to
Thanks for the advice guys, but like I said I'm not trying to solve an elevated humidity level with plants. I'd just like to add some plants, and in doing so I don't want to increase humidity, and maybe even lower it a tad or at least regulate the levels if I can. I don't know if it's possible to shave 1% RH off the top end, but if it is then it's ok if the plants add 2% to the bottom end of the range. In other words, even though they might elevate the average RH, it's still better if the max is lower.
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House plants need watering and what water that isn't used by the plant simply evaporates, adding more water to the air.
Understood, but the point is these particular plants don't need much watering due to their ability to absorb some from the air when it is available. A bit of googling tells me that a central AC can dump as much as 20 gallons of water per day from the air. If I split a gallon per week across a handful of plants, that's just 1 gallon that I'm adding to 100+ gallons that are circulating through the house anyway... not a huge deal. And if they smooth out the highs and lows, it could be a net benefit.
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Besides, even if it did, just how much time and effort would you be willing to put in on an almost daily basis toward upkeep of the plants in watering, fertilizing, making sure they got enough sunlight to survive by rotating them to light sources, etc.

Like mentioned, just get a dehumidifier or two and plug those suckers in, problem solved.
I am all about low-maintenance and little time investment, and these particular plants are good for that. I believe spider plants, for example, live just fine in peoples' garages without light or water for months at a time. I can't see spending more than 10 minutes per week tending to plants. If they take more time than that, I'll just get rid of them.

But again this is not intended to be a replacement for a dehumidifier.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 2:58 pm to
Your AC unit is to big for your house
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

and the humidity usually sits around the high side of comfortable (and sometimes into uncomfortable) in one half the house during the hot and humid months.

Kork, I agree with others that if your HVAC is not maintaining a comfortable humidity of 50% RH (relative humidity) or less during the long AC runs times during the heat of summer something is a amiss. Do you have some RH numbers you can share? If not buy one or 2 of these and start monitoring the humidity - they are pretty accurate.

What do you normally set your thermostat temp to during the summer?



If in fact you have an oversized HVAC and your run times are not sufficiently long to effectively remove latent heat (I.e., humidity) techs can often reduce the air handler blower speed (reduce CFM air flow) and adjust the refrigerant charge somewhat to increase moisture removal from the house. But there could be other HVAC issues from low refrigerator level, insufficient return air, leak in the return air plenum, etc., etc. May be time to get a HVAC tech with good knowledge of air flow issues to check your system.

And if you want to add some houseplants throughout the house, do so, but not likely going to affect RH one way or another.



This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 4:00 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:43 pm to
I didn't mean for this to turn into a thread about diagnosing high humidity, but here goes.

I have 2 AC units totaling 7 tons cooling ~3400sqft. The daytime/living areas of the house are about 1900sqft with a relatively new 4 ton unit cooling it, and it stays pretty comfortable.

The sleeping areas of the house are about 1500sqft with a very old 3 ton unit, and humidity stays pretty high back there. One big reason is I have ecobee thermostats on both units, and we have them set to minimize energy use. Some of you guys will lose your shite to hear that the temp stays about 73-75 degrees back there during the day, so it doesn't run hardly at all from 8am to noon, and then noon to 4PM it runs for about 30 minutes at a time with 15 minute breaks. Here soon around 6 it will start running for 1.5 to 2 hours at a time as it brings the temp down a bit. All told that unit runs about 14-16 hours on these hot and humid days at these relatively high setpoints, and I'm not sure how typical that is. RH tends to run around 70% at times (according to the ecobee, not sure how accurate it is).

So I'm pretty sure I could drop the humidity substantially by dropping my setpoints by a couple degrees and giving it a couple more hours of run time per day. Even though that unit is very old, my AC guy says it still runs like almost new, and my ducts are in good shape. My attic insulation could stand to be upgraded.

I might do a full efficiency workup as suggested above, but before that I will address some of the obvious issues in the living space. For example, in this 1500sqft space (there is a hallway door that is usually closed dividing the house into sections) there are 3 bathrooms, an uninsulated attic access, and a 40 gallon gas water heater in its own closet that is vented to the attic. Every day this area sees 2 showers, 1 or 2 baths, and of course the constant (though seemingly minimal) infiltration of attic air as well as the standard evaporation from regular bathroom use.

So I have a lot of points to attack, like adding an insulated hatch to the attic access, upgrading the bathroom vents (maybe to ones with humidity sensors so they exhaust all the steam after a shower), and maybe modifying the water heater closet where it exhausts into the attic. I'd like to address theses sources of moisture before brute-forcing the humidity issue via AC mods or adding a dehumidifier.


So yeah, my question about plants was just one piece of a multi-pronged plan of improvements.
Posted by lighter345
Member since Jan 2009
11864 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:55 pm to
I’ve had humidity issues for a while but can’t seem to find anyone in the nola area that can accurately diagnose/make a recommendation. Two have claimed my tonnage is right for the home. I have some mildew starting to crop around ac grates. Anyone have any suggestions in the nola area?
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

So I have a lot of points to attack, like adding an insulated hatch to the attic access, upgrading the bathroom vents (maybe to ones with humidity sensors so they exhaust all the steam after a shower),

I looked into those—they’re pretty worthless in humid climates. Yes, you can set them to run for a particular period of time, or unti a certain ambient humidity is reached. But they’re removing air from the conditioned (ie, dehumidified) air space of your house, and new air is coming in from elsewhere—cracks, crevices, openings. You are essentially pulling out air from the humid shower while even more humid air is being drawn in from outdoors. Most places in the world, that lil sucker vent will do the trick. Not so here in the swamp. For the majority of the year, the new air replacing the steamy bathroom air is going to be just as humid or more humid than what you’re venting to the outside.

A room sized dehumidifier costs pennies to run and can be set to run for 2-4 hrs after showering. It raises the ambient temp in the immediate area by a few degrees, but it will absolutely make the area drier.

I’m going to install a whole house dehumidifier at some point soon.
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

Korkstand

Sounds like you’ve done a pretty good job of identifying contributing factors to the higher humidity in that 1500 sq ft area serviced by the older 3-ton unit.

I’m going to assume when say your 40 gal water heater in the closet is vented to the attic, you mean vented through the attic to the outside of the house? Also your bath exhaust fans vented to the outside through the attic and not into the attic? Your HVACs are sized at the old rule of thumb of 500 sq ft per ton, which unless have you a older, “leaky” (air infiltration), and poorly insulated home, is in most cases over-sized.

73-75 F is a comfortable temperature for many, if not a majority people, when humidity is maintained at 50% or lower, it certainly is for me, but not so much when humidity tops out a 70%. Like you, I read these threads where others claim maintain temps at 65-70 and say to myself, damn.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 9:01 pm
Posted by CrawDude
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2019
5264 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:22 pm to
quote:

I’ve had humidity issues for a while but can’t seem to find anyone in the nola area that can accurately diagnose/make a recommendation. Two have claimed my tonnage is right for the home. I have some mildew starting to crop around ac grates. Anyone have any suggestions in the nola area?

Paul LaGrange is a forensic building consultant in New Orleans who can likely identify the cause of your problem(s). He hosts the Home Improvement Show on WWL 870 radio and fields calls helping to ID moisture issues from homeowners on a weekly basis. He states problems as you describe is usually not one issue, but often a combination of several issues working in concert. He also states most of his work week is crawling though attics or crawl spaces locating the cause of residential moisture issues.

You can call or text into to his show Sat AM (11 am -1 pm) to describe your issue and see if he can help ID the likely issue(s) - I’ve learned a great deal listening to his show the past few years.

Here is his website. LINK



Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28702 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:27 pm to
quote:

they’re removing air from the conditioned (ie, dehumidified) air space of your house, and new air is coming in from elsewhere—cracks, crevices, openings.
I considered that, and that's what led me to start looking into plants.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:03 pm to
Get a dehum. Keep your RH levels around 45%. It’ll feel like a different house
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28702 posts
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:44 pm to
quote:

I’m going to assume when say your 40 gal water heater in the closet is vented to the attic, you mean vented through the attic to the outside of the house?
Well the stack goes through the attic and out the roof, but there is another hole in the ceiling in that closet, just cut into the sheetrock. It's not even square. I'm assuming it used to have water lines going through it, and then at some point a new water heater was installed and the lines were rerouted to the other hole a foot over from it. And then I guess they just left that hole there with the assumption that the hot air in that closet will make its way up through that hole.
quote:

Also your bath exhaust fans vented to the outside through the attic and not into the attic?
No! All of the bathroom fans in this house exhaust directly into the attic space!
quote:

Your HVACs are sized at the old rule of thumb of 500 sq ft per ton, which unless have you a older, “leaky” (air infiltration), and poorly insulated home, is in most cases over-sized.
It is an older house (built around '65), but it is high quality and sturdy. The windows and most of the doors are new and high efficiency, though there are 6 exterior doors (and 2 of them double), and a couple of them need new weather stripping. I think the worst thing going for me is the attic insulation is older and a bit batted down in places, and it's kind of spotty around the can lights.

So then my question is if I seal everything up and fix the insulation, will my unit be even more oversized (hah!) such that it will run even less and worsen the humidity?

quote:

73-75 F is a comfortable temperature for many, if not a majority people, when humidity is maintained at 50% or lower, it certainly is for me, but not so much when humidity tops out a 70%. Like you, I read these threads where others claim maintain temps at 65-70 and say to myself, damn.
Yeah it's almost like a brag thing, cracks me up. I take it down to 70-72 at night and I sleep fine even with the RH a bit high.


So here's another part of my crazy plan: my son is obsessed with the weather, so I've been wanting to build a DIY weather station with him. If I buy the parts in small quantities I can put together 5 or 10 of them for about $10 apiece, and they will measure temp and humidity and be wifi connected. It will be a neat little project to teach him about electronics and programming, and I can put them in different rooms so that I can map how the heat and humidity flows around the house. I'm thinking that I can optimize my vents to shove more heat and humidity toward the return each cycle.

And I know I know, that sounds like a lot of work when I can just buy a dehumidifier, but what's the fun in that? This is far from the dumbest idea that I've posted on this board.
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