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2022 Fall Garden Thread
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:36 am
Welcome to the 2022 Fall Garden Thread.
Here are some useful resource links:
Gardening info/learning:
Home Gardening Certificate Course
LSU AgCenter Main Page
LSU AgCenter Vegetable Planting Guide
Davesgarden.com
Seedsavers Exchange learning page
Epic gardening raised bed plans
I personally use the LSU AgCenter website and planting guide almost religiously. Davesgarden.com is really useful for their watchdog section which gathers ratings on different seed companies and nurseries. And the Seedsavers learning page is a very easy to use website that is great for beginners. It’s streamlined and very easy to understand.
Seed/plant websites:
Harris Seeds
Park Seed
Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds (rareseeds.com)
Reimer seeds
Gurney’s
Migardener.com
I would definitely recommend the first 3 listed. Have never had any issues with orders from them. Reimer, on the other hand, has on more than one occasion sent me mislabeled/wrong product. I’ve also had some seeds with 0% germination. However, they have an extremely large selection, so they may be worth the gamble for some harder to find varieties. I’ve never used Gurney’s, but haven’t heard anything bad about them.
Here are some useful links to learn about different products for disease and pests:
Organic disease and pest management:
Neem Oil
Liquid Copper
Pyrethrin
Spinosad
Bacillus Thuringiensis
Hydrogen Peroxide / Hydrogen Peroxide mixing chart for garden use
Non-organic disease and pest management:
Fungicides:
Daconil
Mancozeb
Insecticides:
Bonide Eight (permethrin)
Sevin dust
Liquid Sevin (Zeta-Cypermethrin)
Target Planting Dates for common Louisiana Fall Vegetables:
(All of this is from the Planting Guide)
Beets (direct seed): S LA 8/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/15 - 11/15
Broccoli: S LA 8/1 - 10/31; N LA 8/1 - 10/31
Brussels Sprouts: S LA 8/15 - 10/31; N LA 8/15 - 10/15
Cabbage: S LA 8/15 - 11/30; N LA 8/1 - 11/30
Carrots (direct seed): S LA 8/15 - 11/15; N LA 8/15 - 10/15
Cauliflower: S LA 7/1 - 10/15; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Collards (direct seed): S LA 7/15 - 10/31; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Garlic (cloves): S LA 9/1 - 11/30; N LA 9/1 - 11/30
Mustard and Turnip Greens (direct seed): S LA 7/15 - 11/10; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Kale (direct seed or plants): S LA 7/15 - 11/15; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Lettuce (direct seed of plants): S LA 9/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/15 - 10/30
Spinach (direct seed): S LA 9/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/1 - 11/15
If you want to grow pumpkins to have for Halloween, Get the seeds in the ground now. You have until July 10th according to the planting guide. I pulled my sunflowers yesterday and sowed some Connecticut Field Pumpkin seeds.
For cucumbers, the planting guide gives fall planting dates (direct seed) of 8/1 - 9/15 for South LA, and 7/15 - 8/31 for North LA.
For tomatoes, if you do heat tolerant varieties you can start transplanting those in mid July. If you don't want to do heat tolerant varieties, you could start seeds mid July and transplant mid to late August. I'd recommend doing an "early" variety that way you have a greater chance of a high yield before the first frost.
If there are any other products or links that you'd recommend, please let me know and I'll add them.
Here are some useful resource links:
Gardening info/learning:
Home Gardening Certificate Course
LSU AgCenter Main Page
LSU AgCenter Vegetable Planting Guide
Davesgarden.com
Seedsavers Exchange learning page
Epic gardening raised bed plans
I personally use the LSU AgCenter website and planting guide almost religiously. Davesgarden.com is really useful for their watchdog section which gathers ratings on different seed companies and nurseries. And the Seedsavers learning page is a very easy to use website that is great for beginners. It’s streamlined and very easy to understand.
Seed/plant websites:
Harris Seeds
Park Seed
Baker Creek Heirloom Seeds (rareseeds.com)
Reimer seeds
Gurney’s
Migardener.com
I would definitely recommend the first 3 listed. Have never had any issues with orders from them. Reimer, on the other hand, has on more than one occasion sent me mislabeled/wrong product. I’ve also had some seeds with 0% germination. However, they have an extremely large selection, so they may be worth the gamble for some harder to find varieties. I’ve never used Gurney’s, but haven’t heard anything bad about them.
Here are some useful links to learn about different products for disease and pests:
Organic disease and pest management:
Neem Oil
Liquid Copper
Pyrethrin
Spinosad
Bacillus Thuringiensis
Hydrogen Peroxide / Hydrogen Peroxide mixing chart for garden use
Non-organic disease and pest management:
Fungicides:
Daconil
Mancozeb
Insecticides:
Bonide Eight (permethrin)
Sevin dust
Liquid Sevin (Zeta-Cypermethrin)
Target Planting Dates for common Louisiana Fall Vegetables:
(All of this is from the Planting Guide)
Beets (direct seed): S LA 8/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/15 - 11/15
Broccoli: S LA 8/1 - 10/31; N LA 8/1 - 10/31
Brussels Sprouts: S LA 8/15 - 10/31; N LA 8/15 - 10/15
Cabbage: S LA 8/15 - 11/30; N LA 8/1 - 11/30
Carrots (direct seed): S LA 8/15 - 11/15; N LA 8/15 - 10/15
Cauliflower: S LA 7/1 - 10/15; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Collards (direct seed): S LA 7/15 - 10/31; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Garlic (cloves): S LA 9/1 - 11/30; N LA 9/1 - 11/30
Mustard and Turnip Greens (direct seed): S LA 7/15 - 11/10; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Kale (direct seed or plants): S LA 7/15 - 11/15; N LA 7/15 - 10/31
Lettuce (direct seed of plants): S LA 9/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/15 - 10/30
Spinach (direct seed): S LA 9/15 - 11/15; N LA 9/1 - 11/15
If you want to grow pumpkins to have for Halloween, Get the seeds in the ground now. You have until July 10th according to the planting guide. I pulled my sunflowers yesterday and sowed some Connecticut Field Pumpkin seeds.
For cucumbers, the planting guide gives fall planting dates (direct seed) of 8/1 - 9/15 for South LA, and 7/15 - 8/31 for North LA.
For tomatoes, if you do heat tolerant varieties you can start transplanting those in mid July. If you don't want to do heat tolerant varieties, you could start seeds mid July and transplant mid to late August. I'd recommend doing an "early" variety that way you have a greater chance of a high yield before the first frost.
If there are any other products or links that you'd recommend, please let me know and I'll add them.
This post was edited on 9/28/22 at 6:20 am
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 11:20 am to PillageUrVillage
I was searching for this!. looking forward to my first fall garden.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:08 pm to PillageUrVillage
Anyone have success with fall cucumbers or tomatoes in South Louisiana?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:56 pm to PillageUrVillage
quote:
Welcome to the 2022 Fall Garden Thread.
was waiting on this one, thanks! Have my new raised beds coming in Wednesday so was hoping to get some seeds started inside under the grow lights either this week or next.
Hoping some other folks are doing fall cherry tomatoes and potatoes so I can get some good info - will be my first 'real' garden like some of the other folks above.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 1:17 pm to nopants
quote:
was waiting on this one, thanks!
You're welcome!
I've seen a few posts recently about starting seeds for the fall. So I figured it was time to make a thread for it. I'll try to update the OP to add a little more info when I can. But if anything isn't addressed there we can discuss whatever you guys want. My spring/summer garden is still going, so I'll probably still post in the spring garden thread as well. But the transition to fall planting is right around the corner.
quote:
Anyone have success with fall cucumbers or tomatoes in South Louisiana?
I've never done fall cucumbers, but I don't see why you couldn't have success until the first frost. Planting guide gives fall planting dates (direct seed) of 8/1 - 9/15 for South LA, and 7/15 - 8/31 for North LA.
For tomatoes, if you do heat tolerant varieties you can start transplanting those in mid July. If you don't want to do heart tolerant varieties, you could start seeds mid July and transplant mid to late August. I'd recommend doing an "early" variety that way you have a greater chance of a high yield before the first frost.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:13 pm to PillageUrVillage
Ready to get my first raised bed gardens going! Was planning on starting to build it soon, but this heat is brutal and we have some travel upcoming. Planning on building them in July!
ETA: I've been nursing a compost pile for a couple of months, it's now up to about 3'. Started a new compost pile today.
When making raised beds, should a layer of compost be added all across the top after filling with soil?
ETA: I've been nursing a compost pile for a couple of months, it's now up to about 3'. Started a new compost pile today.
When making raised beds, should a layer of compost be added all across the top after filling with soil?
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:11 pm to PillageUrVillage
Looks like garlic takes a while.... can you grow this in the cloth pots? where are yall buying the seeds?
Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:17 pm to FieldEngineer
quote:
Anyone have success with fall cucumbers or tomatoes in South Louisiana?
Yes, every year unless there's an early frost. Tomatoes and cukes don't respond well to frost. I've had some great harvests of both the last few years due to little to no real cold weather in the early to mid fall months.
Get the tomato plants already started and put them in the ground by late August/early September at the latest and keep them watered well since it's still hot.
I direct sow the cucumber seeds in the ground at the same time. By the way, I'm in N.O.
Adding this: IF, for some strange reason there is an early frost, you should have a lot of green tomatoes by then----late November----and they can be used for fried green tomatoes, making salsa verde', etc.
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:15 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
Looks like garlic takes a while.... can you grow this in the cloth pots? where are yall buying the seeds?
I've grown garlic in the past in my raised bed and it is in the ground from October until June when it is harvested.
I get the seed garlic from Jefferson Feed or it can be ordered through almost any seed catalog like Johnny's Selected Seeds, Baker's Creek, etc.
You can find seed garlic at most garden centers but I doubt they'd have it just yet since it is planted in the early fall, at least in S.E. La.
Check out u-tube videos on how it's grown and when to harvest. There's not much to do until it shows scapes and dealing with them and then letting most of the leaves dry out and wither prior to harvesting. And harvest when the soil is dry so the garlic can dry out properly for storage.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:28 pm to gumbo2176
quote:
I’ve never used Gurney’s, but haven’t heard anything bad about them
I bought seeds from Gurney's for several years. I had very good success and health plants that produced well.
Only problem was the cost. They kept going up each year and always higher that other companies.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 7:15 pm to PillageUrVillage
Thank you for putting this together, I haven’t done a fall garden before and actually my plan today was to double-check recommended times in order to put a plan together.
We want to grow kale for the first time. That seems to be a pretty large date range, anyone have experience and recommendations on kale types (was planning direct sowing seeds in raised beds), when to plant in S LA and any other tips?
quote:
Kale (direct seed or plants): S LA 7/15 - 11/15
We want to grow kale for the first time. That seems to be a pretty large date range, anyone have experience and recommendations on kale types (was planning direct sowing seeds in raised beds), when to plant in S LA and any other tips?
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 10:05 pm
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:29 pm to bobdylan
quote:
anyone have experience and recommendations on kale types (was planning direct sowing seeds in raised beds), when to plant in a LA and any other tips?
I like the Blue Curled Kale and if you like greens, give Swiss Chard a look. I grow 2 varieties of it every fall with one being Fordhook Giant that produces large leaves with heavy white stems much like celery. The other is called Bright Lights-----sometimes labeled Brite Lites when looking for seeds. That variety is very colorful with plants producing yellow, red, purple and gold stems with veining in the leaves the same color as the main stem.
Chard can be used as a spinach substitute and grows longer into the spring months than spinach since it doesn't bolt (go to seed) as quickly.
In S.E. La. they will overwinter if planted in the early fall and last until late spring.
Also consider several varieties of leaf lettuces. That is all I grow as far as lettuce since you can harvest individual leaves off plants to make a salad while the plant is left to produce more. That is also a plant that will overwinter but bolts when it gets about 80 degrees around mid spring in the N.O. area.
Posted on 6/20/22 at 10:07 pm to gumbo2176
Awesome, thank you.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:03 am to gerald65
quote:
Only problem was the cost. They kept going up each year and always higher that other companies.
This is true for most seeds bought from seed companies either on-line or by mail order. Then throw in the delivery fee most charge unless you buy a certain $$$ amount and it's really not worth it to me.
I can buy most any kind of seed I want from a local nursery, Lowes or Home Depot.
The only problem I sometimes have is specialty seeds that a lot of local places either don't carry, or have so few of them like Japanese Yard Long Bean and soybean seeds for Edamame. It's not so much I can't find them locally, I find it costs more because I can't buy in the bulk I want for my needs.
The good thing is, I save seeds from things I grow, so I only have to buy seeds one time. I'll dry out yard long, okra and soybean pods and save the seeds for the next planting.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:15 am to gumbo2176
quote:
The good thing is, I save seeds from things I grow, so I only have to buy seeds one time. I'll dry out yard long, okra and soybean pods and save the seeds for the next planting.
I’ve been trying to do more of this. I’ve been doing it with sunflowers, okra, beans, and peppers. Going to do it with some purple hulls this year. I’d eventually like to move to an all heirloom garden so that I can just save my own seeds every year.
quote:
Looks like garlic takes a while.... can you grow this in the cloth pots? where are yall buying the seeds?
They do take a long time. LSU AgCenter has some good write ups that are crop specific.
Allium Crops
My local garden center usually has elephant and Italian softneck garlic available. Just break up the bulbs and plant the cloves. I do this in October and usually pull them about this time of year. I didn’t do garlic last fall cause I was doing some rearranging. But I’ll definitely be growing some this fall.
If you look under the link LSU AgCenter Main Page in the OP, you can find many more.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:37 am to PillageUrVillage
quote:
I’ve been trying to do more of this. I’ve been doing it with sunflowers, okra, beans, and peppers. Going to do it with some purple hulls this year. I’d eventually like to move to an all heirloom garden so that I can just save my own seeds every year.
The thing with yard longs and okra is it really doesn't take many pods to get the next years seed supply. Hell, one large dried pod of okra could have 100 or more seeds in it. The yard longs, when left to mature and dry on the plant will yield between 15-20 seeds per pod. Soybeans need more pods since the most you'll likely see per pod is 4 seeds with many of them only yielding 3----and I plant at least 250-300 seeds in my soybean row.
Peppers and tomatoes are another high yielding seed count.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:52 am to PillageUrVillage
Not sure if I'll be much of a participant in this thread. We are moving in August and I doubt I'll have time to get everything together to plant in the fall. I'll keep you guys posted on my jimmy nardellos in a pot though 
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Posted on 6/21/22 at 2:36 pm to PillageUrVillage
Is it too late to plant asparagus/yard long beans?
Posted on 6/21/22 at 3:09 pm to bobdylan
quote:
want to grow kale for the first time
If you don’t plan on saving the seed, you can grow a few different varieties of kale. We like the Dwarf Blue Curled and Lacinto. The blue curled did very well.
Posted on 6/21/22 at 11:32 pm to PillageUrVillage
What about onions from seed?
Am I correct that you start onions in the fall and they will be ready next Spring? Like a 6 month thing?
My last attempt with onions produced nothing but seed pods...
Am I correct that you start onions in the fall and they will be ready next Spring? Like a 6 month thing?
My last attempt with onions produced nothing but seed pods...
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