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USGA clarifies rule regarding Phil
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:33 am
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:33 am
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Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:43 am to tigerskin
Everyone on this board seems to know more than the USGA, unfortunately.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 9:51 am to CoachChappy
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Everyone on this board seems to know more than the USGA, unfortunately.
Everyone on this site knows more about everything than everybody.
Don't believe me, just ask them
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:04 am to Mingo Was His NameO
No truer words have ever been spoken on this site.
This post was edited on 6/17/18 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:07 am to tigerskin
Obviously, the USGA is 100% correct in how they proceeded. I’ve been a huge Phil fan for 25 years. I was really disappointed in him yesterday. That was a shitty thing to do. He should have apologized and probably WD’d. That’s what I like to think I would have done had I temporarily lost my mind like that.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:24 am to tigerskin
I don't understand why everyone is so mad that the course is challenging. It's likely the winner will finish under par. Are we really supposed to be that sensitive to the players' feelings that 1 or 2 under par, or even a 1 over par winner has us losing our minds on behalf of these professionals?
Regarding Phil, he apparently made a partially strategic, if not mostly irrational decision to take a penalty rather than play from wherever the ball ended up. I think with his short game, letting it run out and playing it would have been the better choice, but he took his penalty, which was clearly assessed correctly, and moved on.
In general, we've seen good scores every day of the tournament, and we have a 4 way tie going into Sunday of the US Open. People seem to be bitching just to bitch.
Regarding Phil, he apparently made a partially strategic, if not mostly irrational decision to take a penalty rather than play from wherever the ball ended up. I think with his short game, letting it run out and playing it would have been the better choice, but he took his penalty, which was clearly assessed correctly, and moved on.
In general, we've seen good scores every day of the tournament, and we have a 4 way tie going into Sunday of the US Open. People seem to be bitching just to bitch.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:25 am to tigerskin
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We would like to further clarify previous statements
Sounds to me like CYA. Why do they need to clarify anything if the ruling is so clear?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:28 am to Revelator
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Why do they need to clarify anything if the ruling is so clear?
Because it's obviously not clear to people demanding to know why Phil wasn't DQd.
How is it CYA to explain the rule that was applied to confused people?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:30 am to GRTiger
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How is it CYA to explain the rule that was applied to confused people?
Because the head of the USGA explained their ruling yesterday. If they were satisfied with their position yesterday, why clarify it today?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:35 am to GRTiger
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I don’t understand why people are mad the course is so challenging i
Because the players who had played best for the first two days of the tournament were totally screwed by the pin placements yesterday. Two guys made the cut on the number, teed off at 8:30 AM when the ground still had moisture and were able to gain 11 strokes. It’s not like only one guy near the lead played bad yesterday. The golf course was impossible to play by the time it dried out yesterday afternoon and the integrity of the tournament was compromised due to the vast advantage the morning players had over the afternoon players.
This wasn’t a weather issue, the fault lies with the USGA for trying to play the fastest greens ever and placing the pins on impossible to reach slopes.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:39 am to Revelator
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Because the head of the USGA explained their ruling yesterday
So explaining it via mutilple media outlets is suspicious to you?
How does CYA apply to the entity that has the final say on rules decisions anyway? From whom are they protecting themselves?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:53 am to GRTiger
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From whom are they protecting themselves?
Obviously, the public opinion about their ruling is sever enough to warrant this clarification. So I'd say they are protecting themselves from the public backlash.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:57 am to dpd901
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I’ve been a huge Phil fan for 25 years. I was really disappointed in him yesterday
I’m pretty much the opposite. I was pretty meh on Phil until yesterday. Now I’m a fan.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:00 am to Choupique19
I'm not sure DJs 40 putts are all on the course.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:06 am to tigerskin
The people calling for a DQ simply don't understand the rules, nor rule interpretation. It was a pretty easy exercise if you do.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:17 am to AlxTgr
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The people calling for a DQ simply don't understand the rules, nor rule interpretation. It was a pretty easy exercise if you do.
It's not this simple.
If it were only the public and weekend duffers proclaiming this, that would be different. But when ex players, who I assume know the rules better than the average weekend golfer, say he should have been DQ'd and that a lesser player would have been instantly DQ'd, it shows it's not as cut and dry as you want it to be.
Yes, the ruling about hitting a moving ball is clear, but Phil broke more then one rule, and they could have chosen to penalize him for any of them.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:17 am to Revelator
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Obviously, the public opinion about their ruling is sever enough to warrant this clarification
Obviously.
This is a pointless discussion. When I engage in CYA at work, thst doesn't mean double down on my decision and simply educate my client on the letter of the reg or standard I followed. I think you're misusing the term to frame it as a bad decision.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:28 am to GRTiger
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. I think you're misusing the term to frame it as a bad decision.
Yes, maybe that wasn't the best term to explain my opinion.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 12:01 pm to GRTiger
quote:We/they can explain it to you, but we can't make you understand it. That's on you.
Because it's obviously not clear to people demanding to know why Phil wasn't DQd.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 12:10 pm to tigerskin
The USGA made their ruling on the assumption that he did not do it with the intention of improving his position. He then said he did it for that reason - to improve his position as he knew he was f’d if ball kept rolling. He would have been DQ’d if he had told them that before they made their ruling. They GAVE him the benefit of the doubt and he shat all over that.
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