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jpggpj
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Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
After reading a few previous posts, I was curious if many people swap out the stock shafts with drivers and fairway woods much. I'm about to replace my fairway woods and have been thinking about getting one of the Fujikura Atmos shafts put on them but I'm not thinking it's worth the $250-$300 extra per club. Thinking if fitted properly that the stock shafts have enough options to be good enough? Curious what the forums thoughts on this are.


MakersMark
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
Go get fitted. You may hit $100 shaft better than you hit a $250-300 shaft


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ell_13
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The stock/made-for shaft market is atrocious. OEM's simply repaint old shit, outsource production with no check on tolerances, or go with cheapest materials.

MyGolfSpy did an article on this just over a year ago.

This isn't always the case. Ping is usually good. Some companies let you pick aftermarket shafts with no upcharge when building that club yourself or through a fitter or club. But almost always, the shaft that comes in the clubhead that you pick up off the rack in Edwin Watts is a "made-for" that's extremely cheaply made to the point that if you hit it well in a bay or fitting, there's no guarantee that the shaft will be the same when you order those specs. In other words if you hit the exact same club with the "same" made-for shaft, you could get completely different results.

But even then, the consumer isn't "safe" from being fricked over. Read the article. It's a shitty industry.
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dfintlyHmmrd
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Isn't this starting to change? Aren't all the Calloway and Titleist clubs starting to come with real deal shafts? I think titleist has been using real deal Diamana shafts for awhile?


ell_13
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I find it hard to trust any version of a shaft that has a "real deal" sister. Whether it's the evenflow, Rogue silver, t-800/t-1100, etc.

The frustrating part is when golfers and fitters work to get things right in a fitting only for an OEM to sabotage those results if the stock version is what worked best.


ETA: I'm a Callaway fan but they and Project X are one of the worst. There are so many versions of HZRDUS and EvenFlow in so many colors that have both "regular" and "hand-crafted" models that I don't know where someone would start trying to figure it all out on their own. And where do you go to try them all yourself? Or a fitter that even has them all? It does look like they have a stock offering for this year's Epic Flash from Mitsubishi which is usually known for making good products since they're said to manage the materials and process from start to finish.
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AlxTgr
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The stock/made-for shaft market is atrocious. OEM's simply repaint old shit, outsource production with no check on tolerances, or go with cheapest materials.

MyGolfSpy did an article on this just over a year ago.

The writing for MyGolfSpy is the worst in the industry. Just look at the most recent take on two person carts. Whoever wrote that is a total moron.

From that article:

quote:

Made For shafts aren’t inherently bad or poor-quality. In fact, in some cases, they’re every bit the equal of more expensive aftermarket shafts.


I have been moving lots of equipment in the last 25 years. For most players, and basically all over 10 handicap and under 95 mph swing speed, the made for shafts are better than the real deal.


ell_13
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I noticed you didn't quote the sentence right after:

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Made For shafts aren’t inherently bad or poor-quality. In fact, in some cases, they’re every bit the equal of more expensive aftermarket shafts. However, the chief problem – and the impetus for this article – is the manner in which OEMs use this category of shafts to dupe, mislead or otherwise play consumers for fools.


JJ27
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I typically keep the same aftermarket shaft and just swap out the new head/adapter. I’ve used a Diamana A’hina X for years with probably 10 different heads.


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AlxTgr
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
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I noticed you didn't quote the sentence right after:

For good reason.


ell_13
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If your point is that bad, slow-swinging golfers are fine with just about any regular stiff shaft that's 55 grams, then congrats on the obvious I guess.


AlxTgr
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
It's much more than that. Biggest point is, MyGolfSpy is a neat deal and I love getting their emails, but their editorial context is shittier than shite.


ell_13
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their editorial context is shittier than shite.
Are you saying you don't agree with the content of this article specifically? I don't read much of their editorial stuff because there just isn't much of it. Their most recent story was about the top 9 things they saw at the show. Seems well thought out and harmless and like what most others do. Anything else bad besides the single-rider carts?


CoachChappy
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I have no clue if my shaft is after market or not. I got it on the trade in rack at Golfballs.com. All I know is I smash the shite out of it


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Power-Dome
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
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ell_13


If quality assurance can not be trusted from the leading manufacturers, what do you believe is the correct path forward as a customer? I had always been intrigued by the companies offering 20+ no-cost shaft options and wanted to take advantage of that at some point this year


jpggpj
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
Do y’all have any recommendations of a place to test out shafts for fairway woods? I guess to get fitted there is a fee but if you buy the clubs from them maybe they waive it? Seems like it could get real costly, real quick for just 2 clubs if you pay for a fitting and upgrade the shafts?


AlxTgr
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
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Anything else bad besides the single-rider carts?

Made for shafts.


ell_13
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
Why? What do you dispute?


jamboybarry
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
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Do y’all have any recommendations of a place to test out shafts for fairway woods? I guess to get fitted there is a fee but if you buy the clubs from them maybe they waive it? Seems like it could get real costly, real quick for just 2 clubs if you pay for a fitting and upgrade the shafts?


If you’re really serious, Bebu Golf Studio. It isn’t cheap (not expensive either when compared to similar like club champion) but he has every option under the sun


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ell_13
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I had always been intrigued by the companies offering 20+ no-cost shaft options and wanted to take advantage of that at some point this year
Some no-cost stuff is good; some “bad”. I just do a ton of testing hitting as much as I can when I can. And when I get fitted, I discuss with my fitter what I’ve tried and like/dislike in terms of feel and then he gets the numbers dialed in. Other times, I just buy something new as a test and if it works, I stick with it. If not, I sell.

My typical approach is to get the club and shaft separate since the shaft I’m fitted to is rarely stock. I keep a few shafts around to test against the new stuff too. My swing isn’t constantly changing but it’s been a little different from year to year. I went from requiring an X Stiff in most shafts swinging 108 mph with a fast takeaway and temp to now feeling better in a Stiff that’s tipped even though I’m swing through at 113. The smoother transition means I can’t properly load certain X Stiff shafts especially the ones that are supposed to be low spin.


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AlxTgr
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re: Stock Shafts vs. Upgraded Shafts
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What do you dispute?


quote:

However, the chief problem – and the impetus for this article – is the manner in which OEMs use this category of shafts to dupe, mislead or otherwise play consumers for fools.


quote:

Nearly every OEM has engaged in similar shenanigans


And here's the biggest problem with the article,

This
quote:

The majority of golfers will likely better fit into one of the weight and bend profiles offered than the model it’s designed to look like
is true, yet the writer then says,

quote:

The issue isn’t necessarily the quality or performance of the shaft itself; it’s the purposeful deception and effort to mislead consumers that reeks of questionable ethics.


He knows most golfers buying off the rack would have a horrible experience with the real deal, yet somehow thinks it's bad to one, offer a driver people can afford and two, offer a shaft these people can actually hit and have it feel right.



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