- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Obscure rules Question
Posted on 3/7/18 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 5:53 pm
My 14 year old son was playing in a Hurricane Junior Golf Tour event. He is much better than his father :). After the first round, he was t-2nd. He was in the final group going into 18 of the second round. He was having the best round of his life, and was up 2 strokes.
On 18, he hooked his drive left, appearing to be OB. His provisional hooked even more than the first. He hit his 3rd provisional in the fairway. As we went to look for his 1st ball, a woman finally found it deep in the woods.
The OB stakes were sort of around the treeline, but here is where it gets confusing. The ball would normally be OB, but someone had previously pulled out a stake close to the ball. Since it had been removed, by looking down the line of the 2 next closest stakes, his ball was in bounds.
He played rule 3-3 and played 2 balls. With the first one, he made a bogey, with his 3rd, he made an 8. (par 4) When he asked the rules official, he said he didn’t know, so he looked through the rules of golf booklet. The official only skimmed through, and he said he didn’t see anything regarding that rule. My son ended up winning by 1. I told him I thought he probably got away with one.
Does anyone know the correct ruling?
On 18, he hooked his drive left, appearing to be OB. His provisional hooked even more than the first. He hit his 3rd provisional in the fairway. As we went to look for his 1st ball, a woman finally found it deep in the woods.
The OB stakes were sort of around the treeline, but here is where it gets confusing. The ball would normally be OB, but someone had previously pulled out a stake close to the ball. Since it had been removed, by looking down the line of the 2 next closest stakes, his ball was in bounds.
He played rule 3-3 and played 2 balls. With the first one, he made a bogey, with his 3rd, he made an 8. (par 4) When he asked the rules official, he said he didn’t know, so he looked through the rules of golf booklet. The official only skimmed through, and he said he didn’t see anything regarding that rule. My son ended up winning by 1. I told him I thought he probably got away with one.
Does anyone know the correct ruling?
This post was edited on 3/7/18 at 5:54 pm
10
Posted on 3/7/18 at 6:25 pm to diddlydawg7
I believe if a stake has been moved from its intended spot, and you know where it’s supposed to be, you play it as it should be marked.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 6:27 pm to diddlydawg7
I’ve got a question for ya, and it may be simple but I’ve never played in a tournament.
Did he mark each tee ball differently?
Did he mark each tee ball differently?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 6:52 pm to diddlydawg7
He got away with one. It happens.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 6:52 pm to diddlydawg7
Was the stake the was removed still in the area? Or completely missing?
Posted on 3/7/18 at 6:55 pm to diddlydawg7
(no message)
This post was edited on 11/9/20 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 3/7/18 at 7:12 pm to threeputt
he didn't get away with anything ...
he played two balls and reported everything ... was honest while giving himself a fair chance to win ...
doesn't matter what the rule was, is or should be ...
he played two balls and reported everything ... was honest while giving himself a fair chance to win ...
doesn't matter what the rule was, is or should be ...
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:21 pm to tiderider
Agree.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 8:40 pm to diddlydawg7
The committee or rules official has the final say.
That said, if the OB or hazard stake is missing, you should try to determine where the line likely is normally located, and not just draw a line between the next nearest markers, which could be quite a distance from the actual line. It is a game which relies on honesty. Such boundaries often follow the route of a pond or tall grass and are not directly between the markers.
That said, if the OB or hazard stake is missing, you should try to determine where the line likely is normally located, and not just draw a line between the next nearest markers, which could be quite a distance from the actual line. It is a game which relies on honesty. Such boundaries often follow the route of a pond or tall grass and are not directly between the markers.
Posted on 3/7/18 at 11:05 pm to tiderider
quote:
he didn't get away with anything ... he played two balls and reported everything ... was honest while giving himself a fair chance to win ... doesn't matter what the rule was, is or should be ...
Yup
Posted on 3/8/18 at 3:47 am to diddlydawg7
You play what is marked. If they stake was removed, it’s his benefit. You can’t say “there used to be a line there” or “there used to be a stake there”.
If his ball was in bounds with the closest two stakes, his ball was in bounds.
ETA: just to alleviate any confusion with this post, marked areas on the course change periodically. It is not different than if his ball had landed close to water. If, in the past, a line had been drawn but is no longer visible, you must rule by the stakes. If the stakes show the ball is not in the hazard, but the “old” line you used to see would have shown that it was, you go by the stakes.
Bringing it to the rules committee was the right move. The rules committee should have ruled his ball in bounds, which they did.
If his ball was in bounds with the closest two stakes, his ball was in bounds.
ETA: just to alleviate any confusion with this post, marked areas on the course change periodically. It is not different than if his ball had landed close to water. If, in the past, a line had been drawn but is no longer visible, you must rule by the stakes. If the stakes show the ball is not in the hazard, but the “old” line you used to see would have shown that it was, you go by the stakes.
Bringing it to the rules committee was the right move. The rules committee should have ruled his ball in bounds, which they did.
This post was edited on 3/8/18 at 3:51 am
Posted on 3/8/18 at 5:26 am to unbeWEAVEable
That’s not entirely true.
He did the right thing by playing two balls and relying on the rules committee. But if they knew that the stakes were moved or missing, they should rule it as if the course markers were in their intended place:
He did the right thing by playing two balls and relying on the rules committee. But if they knew that the stakes were moved or missing, they should rule it as if the course markers were in their intended place:
quote:So it’s all about where the stake SHOULD have been. However, if the rules committee is uncertain, then I think they were right in scoring the first ball.
A displaced boundary stake is a movable obstruction. Therefore, the player may replace it but he is not required to do so.
In this scenario, Player A should alert his playing competitors of the condition, allow them to observe the proceedings, and Player A should play two balls: one as his drive lies in bounds and one as if the ball was out-of-bounds. After the round, Player A should consult with the course pro to determine where the stake should have been and take the appropriate score.
Posted on 3/8/18 at 11:01 am to diddlydawg7
Looks like it was handled well by all.
Would be nice if golf had smaller penalties for situations like this, but it’s all or nothing.
You’re right, this was a tremendous break.
Would be nice if golf had smaller penalties for situations like this, but it’s all or nothing.
You’re right, this was a tremendous break.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 4:46 pm to Tigertracks
quote:Sounds like he did all that and let the officials decide. At what point was he not honest?
That said, if the OB or hazard stake is missing, you should try to determine where the line likely is normally located, and not just draw a line between the next nearest markers, which could be quite a distance from the actual line. It is a game which relies on honesty. Such boundaries often follow the route of a pond or tall grass and are not directly between the markers.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 5:00 pm to diddlydawg7
Had a similar fate when I played a tournament at Southern Trace in Shreveport. Coming into 18 I had a very wide and comfortable five stroke lead over two others for 1st. Snapped my shot wide right and it bounced around in the trees and we thought it might be OB. Hit third shot off the tee. Couldn't find my first ball, so hit my second ball. Just right after I hit my second ball, one of the players spotted my first ball in the ditch and in-bounds. I took a drop and played both balls. With the first ball I ended up shooting Par 5. With the second ball I ended up shooting a very careful conservative 8. One of the players shot a Birdie 4, to make it real close, because at the clubhouse, the pro discarded my first ball as a lost ball because I played my provisional before finding the first ball. So I won by a single stroke.
Posted on 3/9/18 at 7:28 pm to HubbaBubba
quote:
ad a similar fate when I played a tournament at Southern Trace in Shreveport. Coming into 18 I had a very wide and comfortable five stroke lead over two others for 1st. Snapped my shot wide right and it bounced around in the trees and we thought it might be OB. Hit third shot off the tee. Couldn't find my first ball, so hit my second ball. Just right after I hit my second ball, one of the players spotted my first ball in the ditch and in-bounds. I took a drop and played both balls. With the first ball I ended up shooting Par 5. With the second ball I ended up shooting a very careful conservative 8. One of the players shot a Birdie 4, to make it real close, because at the clubhouse, the pro discarded my first ball as a lost ball because I played my provisional before finding the first ball. So I won by a single stroke.
not surprised ... you lefties are essentially communists ... probably played an orange or yellow ball ...
Posted on 3/11/18 at 9:14 pm to diddlydawg7
Your son played the hole correctly.
The ruling is what it is.
Congratulations to your son, but teach him to play for par on the last hole. Keep the driver in the bag and make his opponent have to beat him.
Phil and Jean Van De Velde will back me on this.
The ruling is what it is.
Congratulations to your son, but teach him to play for par on the last hole. Keep the driver in the bag and make his opponent have to beat him.
Phil and Jean Van De Velde will back me on this.
Page 1 of 1
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News